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Subject Topic: Fuel Costs/Tolls in France May 2008 Post Reply Post New Topic
16/5/2008 at 4:42pm
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Just returned from holiday and found that fuel costs are up quite a bit from last year.

Best price was Auchan,Calais 1.33euro litre for diesel.

Across france average prices on Autoroute 1.45 euro diesel,1.54euro unleaded.Highest was 1.49 diesel.

Toll charges are not far off from those stated on the Mappy site but have increased slightly in places.Worst charge was the A26 return from Verdun where charge was 4 euro higher than that indicated.

Terry



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16/5/2008 at 4:53pm
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Terry,

Thanks for that it's useful. Although once over there then you've just got to accept it.

 What I find interesting is that their diesel figures have remained on par ie; below unleaded. Yet in the UK diesel prices are going up by colossal margins, infact at present they are going up almost daily. Diesel is now on average .55p a gallon dearer here than unleaded. What none of us understand is why the large hike on diesel and not on petrol. When the price of fuel rises by the barrel then surely it covers both types. It's really bugging me at the minute.

harryb

 



16/5/2008 at 4:57pm
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I hope you had a good holiday, nevertheless.  Where did you get to?

I think we'll all have to tighten our belts this year.  Last September we got 1.47 euros to the £ - now it's 1.21.  Last September we paid 1 euro 13 for diesel!   We're off next week, but are taking a lot more food with us.  Usually we just stock up on arrival, but this time we're taking all our 'staples' with us and will buy only fresh things - and I doubt we'll be eating out as much as we did last year.  We'd had a bad few months, so treated ourselves a bit and we had a meal out (lunch or dinner) almost every day.  I think it will have to be a once weekly treat again, just as it used to be. 



16/5/2008 at 6:16pm
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The fuel tax in the UK is identical on diesel & petrol. the price of the actual diesel has become more & more expensive compared with petrol. this is the same in other European countries. But the fuel tax was always less on diesel than petrol in France so diesel is still a bit cheaper. but you may notice the French diesel price is much closer to petrol price now, than it used to be.



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17/5/2008 at 7:23am
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Val,

Food prices, here as we know, are going up as fast as fuel so we don't know whether France is dearer or cheaper. As far as food prices are concerned you can be our guinea pig and report back after your trip.   Have a good one.

harryb



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17/5/2008 at 8:12am
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Quote: Originally posted by HarryB on 16/5/2008

Terry,

Thanks for that it's useful. Although once over there then you've just got to accept it.

 What I find interesting is that their diesel figures have remained on par ie; below unleaded. Yet in the UK diesel prices are going up by colossal margins, infact at present they are going up almost daily. Diesel is now on average .55p a gallon dearer here than unleaded. What none of us understand is why the large hike on diesel and not on petrol. When the price of fuel rises by the barrel then surely it covers both types. It's really bugging me at the minute.

harryb

 


Hi Harry,

The UK is still a nett exporter of pertol, but need to import diesel, we do not have enough refining capacity to meet our needs.

Supply and demand I'm afraid, it's the capatalist way.

Mr U-M



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40% of vehicles sold last year were diesels apparently so it is purely supply and demand, the UK Public want it, so they can have it at an inflated price.

Ali



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17/5/2008 at 5:44pm
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Val,

We had great holiday.Went to Venice again via France(Verdun) and Switzerland(Buochs).The weather was superb 1 wet day,2 wet nights in 25 days temperatures very nice 24-25 degrees.

Talking to all the europeans they were all complaining of the price increases.Fuel for obvious reasons but tobacco products are steadily catching up to the UK.Our feeling was that prices generally are up on last year never mind the exchange rate problem.Perhaps the French will have to take their holidays in the UK soon.

Hope you have great holiday its still a lovely place to go.The ACSI card and Camping Cheques are a good deal at the moment.

Terry



18/5/2008 at 7:41am
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Got them both - and also Touring Cheques this year for the first time - because they had a site we particularly wanted to visit.  They've added a lot more sites this year, so we may invest in more for next year.


17/6/2008 at 5:22pm
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A workmate has just got off the tunnel and he's reported 1.55euro for diesel in Calais, I've asked him for a report on his fortnightly business trips as were off thru France in August!


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17/6/2008 at 7:38pm
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You can get an up to date price for any fuel station in any town in France on the website - Fuel Prices France and it will also show you the increase in price (or decrease) over the last week, or two weeks.  At the moment it reports 1.56 for diesel and 1.59 for SP95 or 1.63 for SP98. 


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17/6/2008 at 9:27pm
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I wonder if the quite amazing fuel price hikes we're seeing at the moment will make more people think about having a petrol-engined car to LPG (propane).

My 4.6L Range Rover costs me £40 to fill its 80L LPG tank which gives it a range of 250 miles. The MPG rating of LPG is a bit lower than petrol but it's just over 1/3 the price!

Pro-rata, my V8 engined car does in terms of fuel costs, the equivalent to 30MPG! That's using a fuel which is usually burnt-off at the rig or refinery, making it totally carbon-neutral!

Modern LPG systems are amazingly sophisticated and fully integrated with the complex electronics in today's cars. The conversion cost for my car has paid for itself about three times over in the last three years since I had it fitted. There are now over 1200 refuelling sites in the UK and even more across Europe where LPG is more popular.

To me it's the best-kept secret going and there are no plans by the Government to increase LPG fuel duty in the next few years. Eat your hearts out diesel car drivers


17/6/2008 at 10:11pm
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We've seriously thought about LPG conversion - and it's only because we run a company car, and they don't allow conversions, that we haven't done it already.   We did investigate the costs a few years ago - but unfortunately didn't go ahead.   In September we have to decide between a replacement company car, or equivalent which we can run ourselves, and be reimbursed at various rates. Seriously thinking about an LPG conversion at that time.   LPG seems to be very popular in France, and was available at almost all the fuel stations we used, including many supermarket fuel stops in quite small village supermarkets - and there always seemed to be a queue so it must be popular.

At the moment LPG seems to be about 70 centimes per litre in France (or what the price of Diesel was about four years ago!!!!) 



17/6/2008 at 10:45pm
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I looked at the costs of a company Vs self-funded car with LPG and even three years ago, it came out in favour of LPG and with today's fuel costs, it's probably even more favourable.

Many people even now worry about LPG being unreliable, unsafe and God knows what else, and this puts them off. If anything the car is safer, since propane is less flammable than petrol vapour and the tank is much more accident resistant.

The only downside is the inital conversion cost which can vary between £800 for a small 4 cylinder car and £2000 for a big V8. It will of course invalidate your manufacturer's warranty and make your dealer's technicians frightened so they might need convincing that LPG isn't witchcraft!

I'd say go for it!! I feel SOOOO smug when I'm filling up with fuel at 48p per litre!!


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I'm tempted to get a V8 Range Rover on LPG myself, they are cheap to buy these days, nice 4.0 P38 model will do nicely.

There is a very good independent LR garage nearby too!

 Lovely cars! Can't beat the sound of a V8! (Used to have a RR classic 3.5!)



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Don't forget that LPG is only available to public service vehicles in Spain



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