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27/3/2009 at 4:14pm
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On a trauma 30mb regulator , when you run on propane it takes a lot longer to boil a pot of water than on butane. Is there an obvious reason for this? Also the grill makes no difference when on full or low on propane . Theres no obvious problem like empty bottle- this happens with full bottles of either propane or butane. Any ideas would be appreciated

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the heat given out from butane is higher than propane

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27/3/2009 at 6:41pm
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Sounds a good reason, but if butane burns hotter than propane why can you burn (cut)steel with a propane oxygen mix and not with a butane oxygen mix. Strange!

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Quote: Originally posted by TOYRAV on 27/3/2009
Sounds a good reason, but if butane burns hotter than propane why can you burn (cut)steel with a propane oxygen mix and not with a butane oxygen mix. Strange!
You could cut steel with a butane/oxygen mix, they just dont do butane in commercial sized bottles.

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27/3/2009 at 6:56pm
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Thank you both, a good answer to both questions.

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If any one from calor gas is reading this how about a calorlite 7k butane bottle,then in the summer we wouldn't need to wait 20 minutes for water to boil. We could then carry both gases,or is part of the problem the one regulator trying to cope two different gas pressures, i.e. propane dropped from 37mb to 30mb.

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lots of info here

www.calor.co.uk

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Quote: Originally posted by TOYRAV on 27/3/2009
.....or is part of the problem the one regulator trying to cope two different gas pressures, i.e. propane dropped from 37mb to 30mb.

No it's ALL the problem, under the old system, butane and propane were supplied at the two different pressures to make up for the difference in their properties. Butane is 31% more efficient than Propane so it was delivered at 33% higher pressure, this gave rise to the myth propane burns hotter but to do it you burn a third more gas!

Add that to the difference in weights of the bottles, 7kg of Butane, 6kg of Propane, (Butane is a lot heavier than Propane), the two bottles contained the same amount of 'heat'. The full price is also the same for the 'heat' in each bottle but propane is often discounted. 

As regards using Butane for cutting, I can't say I've given it a second thought in 30yrs of using oxy-propane, but 4psi to 7psi is what propane is used at, that's 300 to 500mb!!

Come to think of it, I've never seen an adjustable regulator to fit a butane bottle either LOL

 



28/3/2009 at 9:33am
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Hi gary,thanks for info. Can you go back to two regulators or are the appliances set for 30 mb,not that I want to. I made up small burning set from 3.7 k propane with adjustable regulator and small oxy bottle for portable heat or cutting,have been filling from large oxy to small oxy for 30 years. One other thing is you get less condensation from propane than butane. Retiring on 5th april, oh got a nagging list the length of her arm, hope there is some time left for camping.lol

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Simple answer to your first question, can you change back to the old system.... no, to many grey areas to say anymore!

I think butane is not used industrially because of it's high 'freezing' point, pulling 300mb or more off would force the bottle temperature down below the freezing/gassing point in no time at all.

 



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28/3/2009 at 5:37pm
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Thanks gary, good answers as usual.

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Diplomatic I'd call it! enjoy your retirement  


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just a comment on butane , i have serviced a caravan on a site today , while doing the van three people came to me with problems, one couldnt get a ultrastore to say lit ,one couldnt get the oven to say lit and the last couldnt get the fire to say lit , the air temp outside was 3 oc

need i say more ??

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I don't care how cold it was.....you'll never get appliances to talk!


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I wasn't going to say anything.

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wondered if you would notice gary

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