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26/4/2009 at 10:01pm
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 we already tow our lunar clubman ( 4/5 berth 21 footer) with a citroen relay 16 seater minibus, gross weight apparently 3500( not that i know much about these things lol , but tried to look it up and get to grips with it).

 we have just put a deposit on a year 2000 hobby prestige 620, and from reading the posts i gather its one that you need to tow with a commercial .

 am i right in thinking our bus is big and heavy enough ?

 it confused me a bit that its bang on 3500 , and the rules give either under or over , but dont state whats ok if your right on the line



26/4/2009 at 10:02pm
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ps , as far as i can understand it my partner has the right license entitlements( he has and 'old license)


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26/4/2009 at 10:20pm
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Nope its not heavy enough if the GVW is 3.5t that means the vehicle loaded cannot be more than 3500kg, if the hobby is one that needs to be towed with a commercial of over 3.5t then you are looking at totally different vehicles with different rules and regs.

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26/4/2009 at 10:29pm
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may help

Legal issues of towing

Maximum sizes for towing

Towing vehicle under 3500kg GVW

Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar)

7.0 metres

Maximum width

2.3 metres

Towing vehicle over 3500kg GVW

Length (excluding the coupling and drawbar)

12 metres if at least 4 wheels

Maximum width

2.55 metres

Length of towing vehicle & trailer combined

18 metres

Maximum overhang of load from rear of trailer

3.05 metres


Further information from: National Trailer and Towing Association (NTTA)
www.ntta.co.uk/law/

Maximum trailer sizes
Type 01: unbraked trailers - max. 750kg gross trailer weight or half the towing vehicle's kerb weight - whichever is less.
Type 02: trailers on overrun brakes - max. 3500kg gross trailer weight.
1982 regulations require that all trailers, including unbraked ones, must be clearly marked with their maximum gross weight in kg. This may be checked at any time by the police at a weighbridge. Since 1 January 1997, all unbraked trailer plates must show the year of manufacture.



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26/4/2009 at 10:34pm
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as far as i know it is down to the width as well arent these hobbies 8 feet wide???????  sure i read this some where and must be behind small goods vehicles 7 1/2 ton vehicles  but dont hold me to it


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26/4/2009 at 10:42pm
 Location: notts
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yes ive read the regs , but the confusion for me , is it clearly states rules for under or over 3500 , but ours is neither  .

 what do the owners of this type and size of hobby tow them with then ??

 weve seen plenty on the touring sites we use , so theyre towing them with something( and ive never yet seen a lorry on site with one)



26/4/2009 at 10:43pm
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oh ps its a lwb high top minibus, this is one biiigggg van


26/4/2009 at 10:48pm
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the van is still classed as plg not goods vehicle im afraid i really would check the width of the new van as they are really clamping downon this i had a really big iveco but it was 3.5 ton and not a goods vehicle check your tax disc if it says plg or pcv then its not goods vehicle and not big enough a 7.5 ton lorry is wider than a van so makes the differenc less or equal to van


27/4/2009 at 7:27am
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Yep the hobby is too wide so needs to be towed with a vehicle with weight of 3501kg or greater, your van doesn't fit the bill.

Ali



27/4/2009 at 11:37am
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Correct your van would not make a legal outfit.

There is a solution, Refund the tax disc, cancel your insurance, Send the logbook off saying scrapped or exported, if stopped say your names john smith and you do not speak english, Where do you live? here if you dont let me move on.

Seems to work for many



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27/4/2009 at 11:49am
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Sorry to say also cat that you might encounter problems when trying to book sites, a lot won't take the Hobby's, I would look into everythinga bit further before going ahead with your purchase.

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28/4/2009 at 8:08am
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 thanks for all the advise, i have decided not to go ahead and buy the hobby , just not worth the aggro , even the police couldnt confirm the legalities for me lol, so am looking now at an avondale argente , whih seems to be pretty big and still legal


28/4/2009 at 8:54am
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Probably a sensible decision, there are some Hobby forums and a lot of people seem to use vehicles like Pajeros but of course they are not legal but this doesn't seem to worry them!  It would worry me, especially if I had an accident and the insurer voided my policy!

One of our neighbours has an oversized Hobby with a Paj, whenever it is being prepped for a holiday I look at it and wince.

Ali



28/4/2009 at 10:02am
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Thought that most people bought Hobby's for siting not for towing...... think you have made the right decision in buying an Avondale.

 



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28/4/2009 at 12:26pm
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Just a thought - are you aware Avondale are no longer trading? 

Ali



28/4/2009 at 12:40pm
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does that matter??

 its a 2002 van , we dont have the budget for anything newer, so warranty etc isnt an issue , i would assume repairs/servicing could be done anywhere. hope i'm right .

 




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