Why is it that when we from the UK go to Europe we are 'supposed' to use headlamp defelectors but it seems that those coming from Europe to the UK don't need them?
Have you ever seen a car from Europe in the UK with them?
Because when we change from left to right our beam shines into the oncoming traffic but when you change from right to left it shines into the hedge so not a problem.
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Quote: Originally posted by wendywinblos on 08/3/2010
Because when we change from left to right our beam shines into the oncoming traffic but when you change from right to left it shines into the hedge so not a problem.
Yes Jennifer. I had to think about that one. Although Jaiash may be right. I`ve hired cars on the continent many times, but I have never noticed the beam direction. I must look next time.
Yes I think Jaiash may be right about the beam pattern being different, but certainly the lights would not shine into our hedges!
I have now asked OH about this and he reckons continental car headlights do dip right, and the reason they don't bother changing them for here is that our police are not so strict.
I can't say I have inspected any continental visitors' cars though, so they may well be using "beam benders".
Another thought is that not all cars need to use "beam benders" as on some (like ours) you can set the headlights for either right or left driving.
Continental cars/trucks coming to the UK do need them, its just nobody bothers to fit them, same as most UK folk going to the continent don't bother either. I drove trucks back & forwards to the continent for 20 odd yrs & never used them, got stopped in checks plenty of times & gendarmes never even looked at my lights.
Beambenders were more relavent in the days of glass headlamps when the dipped beam did go sharply to the left or right. With modern plastic headlamps uk or continental the beams are symetrical with just 2 small points of light to the left on't UK cars which don't appear to bother oncoming traffic when driving on't 'wrong' side of road.
I suppose its worth asking the op how many continental vehicles they have actually 'inspected' to check whether they actually had beam benders or not. The vast majority of foreign vehicles seen in't UK are trucks.
Left hand drive beam benders are certainly available & used for getting recently imported secondhand German campervans/motorhomes thru the UK mot without changing the headlamps.
As a commercila vehicle fitter for 45 yrs, I can assure you that continental cars do not need beam benders, as the headlamps use an asymmetrical beam that is flat and does not have any bias one-way or the other. It is only the UK market that uses a beam with a bias towards the kerb, it is this bias that has to be removed to travel on the continent, as our kerbside turns into their offside and consequentially dazzles oncoming traffic.
Oh well we will agree to differ then. Try getting an 80s/90s imported lhd German campervan/motorhome thru UK mot without beambenders. Do you actually have experience of lhd vehicles, trucks or cars, have you actually sat in one, in the dark with the headlamps on?
Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 08/3/2010
Oh well we will agree to differ then. Try getting an 80s/90s imported lhd German campervan/motorhome thru UK mot without beambenders. Do you actually have experience of lhd vehicles, trucks or cars, have you actually sat in one, in the dark with the headlamps on?
Yes I have experience of LHD cars and the beam pattern is symetric. Beambenders are available for LHD cars but what they do is alter the symetric pattern so that is asymetric so pointing to the left on our roads.
I've been told that many foreign manufactured cars sold in this country have assymetric headlights fitted so don't need beam benders when going to the continent.
It seems odd to me in this day and age with being part of Europe that all cars are not assymetrical. Do we really fit different headlights to cars we export?
You don't say what age the car you refer to, Jaiash. Certainly modern cars with clear headlamps both rhd & lhd don't need beambenders as they have symetrical beam patterns & as I said in my earlier post the small points of lights to the left on rhd cars do not appear to bother oncoming traffic when driving on't right.
All the older lhd vehicles I have encountered including 80s VW campers have beam patterns to the opposite of equivalent UK headlamps which need correcting for UK use. It could of course vary from vehicle to vehicle.
With the old glass headlamps it was an easy matter to locate beambenders or tape as there was a clear section of the glass where the 'spotter' beams shone thru & this was the section that need either blanking with tape or correcting with benders.
Modern clear headlamps have the prisms at the back, it is more difficult to define where to stick the benders & the benders are not so effective, anyway. An added problem with clear headlights is prolonged use with benders cause hot spots & possibly hairline cracks where the benders are stuck. The solution would be to stick the benders/tape on plastic headlamp protectors.
Personally I have never found the need to use benders abroad since the advent of clear lenses. If oncoming traffic is not flashing me I assume I am not dazzling them. I have found sticking black tape on modern headlights reduces their effectiveness to an extent that they are dangerous to use on unlit continental roads.
Do the UK police check headlights on foreign vehicles, who knows? in my experience of a number of European countries, the police don't appear to check headlights on UK vehicles either!
Certainly beam benders that must cost just pence to produce & can sell for over £7 is a nice little earner for somebody.
This is beginning to get boring - I've first drove a LHD Audi 100 in 1974 in Germany. Since then a variety of hire cars usually in France, Citroens Peugeots, BMWs Skodas. VWs, a volvo...... oh and a Ctiroen Xantia in Holland and a Passat in Holland.
French police do check for Beambender type attachements - I've been questioned about lack of them ( my car has the facility to change to Continental pattern from the dashboard) and seen others stopped for the same reason at the same time.
|Even modern cars with clear headlamp glass/plastic/polycarbonate have asymetric beams in the uk and so should be changed for the continent many cars fitted with xenon headlights are easily adjustable either by lever under the bonnet or fron the interior ( eg Mercedes and Audi depending on the model and year)
Thwack - it's asymetric patterns which are the trouble - symetric ones don't point sideways they just point ahead and dip down.
If its boring you Jaiash then why post? I'm sure plenty are finding this thread imformative & interesting, we have obviously been driving different vehicles, myself mainly lhd motorhomes/campers & trucks & meeting different law enforcement officials obviously.
What it does prove is that vehicle lighting does vary & one should use their own judgement on this matter. Theres no actual law stating beambenders/tape is required on UK headlamps on't continent or indeed for continental vehicles to use them in't UK.
All you must not do is dazzle oncoming drivers & if you drive on unlit French 'N' roads with no oncoming drivers flashing you up then one must assume you are not dazzling anybody. I would guess it varies from car to car as we appear to have differing opinions on the matter.
Actually it is pretty interesting, I'm surprised some legal eagle hasn't landed yet with the definitive answer, surely there is some law on this?
The CC is clear in it's advice which is that you should use deflectors or adjust your lights, not just because of night driving but also tunnels, fog etc, but it does not appear to say this is a legal requirement. Though I'm sure not dazzling other drivers will be.
I've always used them on the Continent partly to avoid any over zealous plod but also because if it does help to avoid dazzling people all well and good. Modern deflectors are not of the black tape type and were easy enough to fit.
I'm surprised at such conflicting views though as I had assumed you were required to fit them if you car could not be adjusted for continental driving, you learn somert new all the time!