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08/6/2010 at 10:52pm
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Our battery left us with no power to the water pump again this weekend.
we hadn't even used a full aquaroll's worth of water , didnt use the lights at all, we were on hookup and used mains lighting .

It was charged almost to the max , but not quite.


We went friday afternoon and the battery was dead by saturday night. before I go and buy a new one, I will charge it up to the max and try again this weekend .

Question is, we have a battery switch on the control panel. says , car , caravan or off.

if its left on CARAVAN the whole time, would this drain the battery, or not? should I be switching this to off when not using the pump or lights ?

also same question for the pump and light switches on the panel? should they be OFF unless being used , ie after every time we turn the lights or taps on then off again , switch it off at the panel as well?

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Sorry for my ignorance, but if you were on mains hook up why wasn't the battery being charged ?



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08/6/2010 at 11:29pm
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I think either the battery is dodgy , not holding the charge,or the zig thing is not charging it.(but I think that if the battery isnt 100percent charged up to start with the charger in the van would not recharge it anyway.just tops up an already full one? )

It worked the first time we used it for 2 days , then went flat.
Charged it at home (but forgot to put it on until the night before we went , so it wasnt 100percent charged, but it was in the yellow bit of the voltmeter, and again in less than 2 days it was flat again after only using the pump, nothing else.
So not sure if its the battery or the charger thats faulty , or both ?





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I'm no expert, but if the battery is holding some charge (for 2 days at least) when you take it out and charge it at home, then it looks like the charger in the van is not doing it's job. It maybe worth investigating that first before shelling out for a new battery.

Our battery is always charged in situ and the caravan charger always charges it fully.

 

 



09/6/2010 at 12:31am
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I had a similar problem and thought it was the battery and by sheer chance I checked the fusebox (on my Bailey there is a fuse box with several fuses for various items under the nearside front seat/bed) and the fuse for the on board charger had blown - no idea why. Replaced the fuse, available from any motorist supplies, for about 50p and all sorted......that was 12 months ago. (NB fuses are different colours for different amp rating so make sure you replace like for like).

On mains hook up I leave the switch on 'caravan' and switch to 'off' when at home (and make sure the motormover switch is off also). The 'car' setting is if your connection to the car is enabled to allow you to charge the van battery from your car battery and run the fridge while you are travelling - remember to switch fridge to '12v' setting....and don't forget to change those settings back if your car is not running for a while otherwise you'll drain the car battery!

 



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09/6/2010 at 1:44am
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The pump switch on the Zig Unit should be switched off at night. The reason for this is that if there is a leak inthe system, this would drop the pressure in the pipes, exactly the same way as it would if you turned on a tap. The pressure switch, sensing a drop in pressure, would switch on the pump. Then any leak would get pressurized and continue to flow until the aquaroll was empty. Then the pump would continue to run dry until it burnt out.

Any light switch on the Zig Unit can be left on while the van is occupied.

You do not say how old your caravan battery is but I would not expect any caravan battery to still be A1 after 3 years, although I am sure that some do remain so.
It sounds to me as if one of the cells in your battery is failing. Best to get it checked out at a garage that has such test facilities.



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09/6/2010 at 8:44am
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An odd thing happened to us about 10 days ago.  Went to fetch the caravan from storage for half term and the battery had only a little life in it.  We had left the 'Master' switch on the unit.  Now, nothing else was on in the van (as far as I could work out) and everything has seemed to be OK since.  My short term answer is to make sure the 'Master' switch is off when the van is unoccupied - we usually do, but must have just forgotten this once.  I just wondered if we might have had the fridge switched the wrong way too, fot it to have suddenly drained like that.  I may never find out he cause.  Any suggestions?

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Quote: Originally posted by LobeyDosser on 09/6/2010

The pump switch on the Zig Unit should be switched off at night. The reason for this is that if there is a leak inthe system, this would drop the pressure in the pipes, exactly the same way as it would if you turned on a tap. The pressure switch, sensing a drop in pressure, would switch on the pump. Then any leak would get pressurized and continue to flow until the aquaroll was empty. Then the pump would continue to run dry until it burnt out.

Any light switch on the Zig Unit can be left on while the van is occupied.

You do not say how old your caravan battery is but I would not expect any caravan battery to still be A1 after 3 years, although I am sure that some do remain so.
It sounds to me as if one of the cells in your battery is failing. Best to get it checked out at a garage that has such test facilities.


If you have to turn the pump of at night for this reason you would have to do it every time you went out just in case it leaks as you would not be there when it did.

I would rather hear the pump going and sort it out

Turn it all on and leave it on.

No power is taken from the car battery when it is not running so you can leave it hooked to the car as long as you like.

The fridge does not use 12v from the caravan only from the car



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Our manual says that the TV ariel signal booster uses power so the 12V system should be switched off when not in use. I try and do this anyway when the caravan is not plugged in to the mains as I have left lights switched on before !

We always switch the pump off when we go out for the day. At night we'd hear it so we don't tend to bother.



09/6/2010 at 11:24am
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Quote: Originally posted by shirl250 on 09/6/2010
Our manual says that the TV ariel signal booster uses power so the 12V system should be switched off when not in use. I try and do this anyway when the caravan is not plugged in to the mains as I have left lights switched on before !
What I generally do when we leave the van in storeage, is to leave one of the mainlights on and switch the master switch off by the door.  By doing it this way, if we go to the caravan and it is dark, we just switch the master switch on to get light, rather than to fumble about in the dark.

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09/6/2010 at 11:42am
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Thanks for all the advice.
I don't know how old the battery is, as it came with the van.
If one of the cells is failing , would this mean it would not be able to charge itself fully anyway?.

when we put it on to charge at home, the light on the battery didnt light up, it was on the charger for about 18 hours.

I will charge the battery up over the next few days and see what happens at the weekend.

Would a car battery, if fully charged , be enough to run the water pump for a few days ? We have a spare car battery, is there any reason we shouldnt use this in the caravan if the leisure battery packs up again this weekend ?
Not bothered about it powering anything else other than the water pump, as this will only work off the battery.



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depends on the car battery, I had a spare from my deisel, that would go for 3 days, even though it wouldnt start my car, I also had a small car battery from a 106 that would last 12hrs...

 

 



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You can only but try the other car battery and see if it will work.

As for turning off the 12v at a master switch, well many modern vans have Alarms and Tracker Systems which mean that the 12v system can never be turned off.

Switching off the Pump at the Zig Unit is for your own peace of mind. That is why the folks who manufacture Zig Units and those who manufacture caravans and therefore wire them up, that have their pumps connected to switches at the Zig Unit, put them there in the first place.
Caravan Owners who ignore these switches do so at their own risk. Personally I would rather have the peace of mind than a flooded van.

Fitting another battery that you know to be working properly is certainy the first step in tracing where the problem actually lies.
Having had a number of secondhand units, I would say the 5 times out of 6, the battery was at fault, but once it was the Charging Unit and that cost me about £70 to replace. That was some 5 years ago so it will be more now.

Also, just because there is a problem, do not presume that there is only one problem. there could be a number of them.
Caravans "shoogle" when being towed and 12v wiring can cause a lot of problems, especially as it gets older. Corrosion leading to bad earths, damage, dampness, short circuits and neglect can all cause problems that seem to point to malfunctioning units when in fact it is the wiring that is at fault.

Either invest in a Haynes Caravan Manual and some Test Equipment or get a qualified Caravan Service Engineer in to trace and sort out your problems. It could save you money and it will certainly save you frustration.

Not all caravans are set up the same. Mine has neither a Zig Unit nor a Master Switch, although I have had these on previous vans and campervans.
So much of the information you get on here may be irrelevant to your particular problems and really you need to get someone who knows, to have a look at your own van.



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The car/van switch can operate in different ways depending on your van, so always follow the advice in the handbook as to how to position it when towing.

However, there are a few basics that should be the same, assuming that your car/van plug, and the car itself, are correctly wired.

The 12v on the fridge should NEVER draw the operating power from the van battery.

The 12v on the fridge should only draw power from the car when the ignition is ON, often only when the engine is running at high enough revs.

Post 1997/8 vans were fitted with a habitation relay, so when hooked to the car, WITH IGNITION ON, there is no 12v power to the van from the car, other than the fridge.

When plugged into the car, with the switch on "CAR", ignition OFF, you can use from the car battery to run lights, pump etc. This should only be used in an emergency to avoid flattening the car battery.


Lobey should ignore this as he has a pretty unique van!!

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A fully charged battery should last for 3 days at least whether a proper leisure battery or a car type battery that includes using your lights.

Debbie, have you had 240v lighting fitted to your van?

If the answer is yes and you are not using the 12v lighting then I would say the battery has had it BUT you also have a problem with your on board charging system, because if you are on EHU the battery should be getting a charge or at least not allowing it to flatten as the charger should also be running your pump and 12v lighting.

If I remember correctly you have the Zig Marque 1 - as far as I know this does not have a in built charger which would be a separate unit.

Problems with the charger could be:

A blown fuse on the 12v output (the fuse could be anywhere between the charger and the battery)

A broken part within the charger (cutout switch, etc.)

A blown fuse on the 230v input within the charger.

A dodgy Chinese MCB on your main fuse board

Sorting the charger first may allow you to keep the battery longer

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I have no idea if I have 240v lights fitted .

I just assumed that all the lights work off the battery. we have striplights that definitely work off battery and a couple of spotlights that I'm not sure about, havent checked them tbh .We didnt use any of these lights at all this weekend

The mains lighting I was referring to is a clip on light that plugs into a socket, same principle as using a table lamp. we had one in the van and one in the awning .
Ah, so if the zig mk1 doesnt have a built in charger perhaps I just havent got a charger in the van at all then?.

I thought the zig WAS the charger, as the older van we had before, had a zig with a trickle charge.

What does the zig actually do then?

Do blown fuses look different? do they go black or something , the ones we have looked at all look okay , maybe we should just replace all of them with new ones .


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