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Subject Topic: 6 berth 3 x bunk and hiring tow car
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17/7/2010 at 10:36pm
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Hello all,

Due to a change in family circumstances hubby and I are exploring the world of caravans, and I was wondering if anyone could help me with a couple of questions.

If we were to go down this route we would probably be looking at a 6 berth.  I like the layout of the Sprite major 6 and Sterling Europa 565, as they have the triple bunk.  Is the triple bunk idea a new one?  I don't think we'd really be looking at buying new, so could anyone give me an idea how far back they go, and if so what models other than the aforementioned have a triple?

Would it be totally impracticle for a good diyer to adapt an older twin bunk to a triple?

Also, I'm not keen to change my car as I love him, and he wouldn't be able to pull a pint let alone a caravan!  Hubby has a company car and we were wondering if it was a ridiculous option to look at hiring a big 4x4 or similar for any outings in the van?

Cheers in advance if you can help,

Helen.



17/7/2010 at 11:03pm
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Hi, have a look on www.caravanfinder.co.uk for used vans (not sure how far back the triple bunks go but there are loads of layouts to consider).  Of the newer vans, Lunars tend to be lighter & older vans are generally lighter than new ones.

With regard to hiring a 4x4 for towing, a hire car would be unlikely to have a tow bar fitted.  Plus if you're looking at oldr vans you'd need the twin electrics on the car whereas newer vans only have one 'plug' for the car (sorry, but that's about as technical as I can get!).

Depending on the age of your children you could look at a smaller van & get an awning annexe for 2 to sleep in (our DS loves having his own space at 14).  You may also need to bear in mind that the bunks aren't full length beds - we were looking at the Coachman 570/6 but discovered the bunks are only 5' 10" long - no good for a teenager who's already 5' 10.5"  & still growing!).

Depending on what Co car your OH has & whether it'd be up to the job, could he get permission to have a tow bar fitted?



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17/7/2010 at 11:16pm
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Hi Adsheadv, thanks so much for your quick reply.

OH does have a towbar but I think his rather basic 1.6 or something Skoda Estate is too light for a big van.  I think he checked on a website and it doesn't have the pulling power.  My little car is a Daihatsu Terios.

The thing is granddad, has been left rather suddenly on his own and I'm thinking ahead and don't want him to miss out on holidays.  Our 3 children are very timid and all below 10, and the triple bunks with a single nearby looked like a good layout so we could sit up with gramps and then send him off to bed later when they are all settled.  Mind you granddad doesn't know any of this yet, so he might not be keen!  I just want to do my homework so if he is I can make him as comfortable as possible.  I just think we'd be pushing our luck trying to get any of the children in the awning.  As long as the seperate single bed was either long enough or adaptable for grandad we could live with the bunks being a bit small for a while.  Mind you OH is 6ft5, so my son might suddenly take off!

Thanks again for your reply, much aprreciated, I'll check out the website.



17/7/2010 at 11:17pm
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Hiring a towcar would work out as expensive as just hiring a static van or chalet.

DIY'ing the van is OK but you have to watch the weight distribution.




17/7/2010 at 11:45pm
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Actually Grampian, you could be right.  I just had a very quick look on a hire site and a freelander with towbar was £400 plus for a week [I'm sure there are extras we'd need].  I don't even know if that would be up for the job!  But then if it was, and we were paying about £300 for a decent-ish campsite for a week it would be cheaper compared to prices I've seen for a family of 5/6 in school holidays at a holiday site in a chalet etc. 

I know you have to account for the van, but then I'm hoping if I sold sometime I'll get something back at least. 

Oh, I don't know.  Grr Holidays, aren't they meant to be relaxing, not taxing!!! 



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17/7/2010 at 11:51pm
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Btw, adshead, that site is great!  It's really helpful to see the caravans listed with the layout so visible, thanks for that.  I've added quite a few to the list, but I think they are all 2 bunk, so if anyone could advise on whether adapting to 3 bunk is possible I would be grateful.  I guess what I'm saying is in an ideal world [towcar permitted!]  I would have a late 90's early noughties model  for somewhere between 5-10 k that I didn't mind tinkering with.


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The biggest problem of altering a twin bunk to a triple is the positioning of the windows as these are usually at bunk height (2 for twin 3 for triple)

Having said that however the job of altering wouldn't be a big problem but just watch out for the weight you'll be adding - check with the caravan manufacturer to see if the MTPLM can be uprated for the van you are interested in to gain back any payload that you will lose.

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18/7/2010 at 9:44am
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Did you lift the mattress up on the 3 bunk 'van that you saw.  It's really cheap thin strips of wood. 

My uncle converted a tiny little 2 berth caravan into an 7 berth 'van with no problems!  It's a sight to see!!

I'm not clued up on the weights but i can't see why you shouldn't make a 3 bunk in the space of a 2 bunk as if you look at the wood in the 3 bunks and bought lighter mattresses you could probably get the weights the same.

I hope you do it and if you do come back on and let us see the results :)



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have a good look round at dealers in the area make a day of it and walk round every van you see take a picnic and enjoy

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If you get into hiring a 4x4 for a week, you start looking at a lot of money for a holiday. Maybe getting an older one as a 3rd car is going to be financially better sense than hiring one for a week here and there. It would also enable you to get far more use out of the caravan.

For what it's worth, you don't have to have a 4x4 to tow a caravan, even though many people prefer them. In my experience, they are much better for towing, but a lot of people are quite happy (and quite legal) with a medium to large saloon car. I used to tow with an old Mercedes 190 which was a good tow car and the Mondeo is a very common tow car that can be picked up quite cheaply if you are happy with an older one with high mileage.


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18/7/2010 at 10:31am
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The triple bunk layout is very new I think, only been around for the last couple of years. Some of the continential brands may have done something before that though. We have a 2 bunk layout in a 2005 van and I think that was pretty new at the time. It wouldn't give you anywhere for Granddad either, even if you could convert to three bunks as the side dinnette is too small for an adult. Have you looked at a double dinnette layout, space for 4 without any conversion. It may even be possible to convert into the layout you want.

Good luck with your search, Jenny



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If memory serves me well, triple bunks came out about 2006/2007. They may be good for a family with three kids, but some of them are really narrow and would be too small for a teenager (or an American child )


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Have a look at the Adria Altea 542 DT caravan.  I've been looking at new ones which come in at about £11k, if you could find one a couple of years old should be less.

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18/7/2010 at 5:02pm
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Thank you so much everyone, some very useful comments from all.  I reckon we need to decide on the car issue first, don't we?  Maybe a cheap 3rd car might be a good idea, we'll have to look into that.

Ashwellgirl I haven't actually looked at any recently in the flesh, I was going on the Iayouts in the online brochures.   I think I'll have to get the OH out for a few trips to caravan dealers and look at layouts and bed lengths/widths.  The picnic idea is a good one kpedd. 

Thanks again everyone, it's all useful stuff.



18/7/2010 at 9:35pm
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Have fun looking around!  Just beware that once you've spent a day looking at vans (especialy if you have the children with you) you'll be hooked & end up buying one regardless of whether Grandad wants to come or not!

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18/7/2010 at 11:31pm
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I think you need to downsize and purchase something you can tow, Do you really need 3 bunks?

My sister has a sprite sleeps 5 but weights 1000kg max fully loaded.

Double bed front and rear with a rear bunk. Overall length is only about 19ft. A large awning with bedroom extension gives her the space she needs.




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