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10/9/2010 at 5:41pm
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Must be somebody out there to offer advice, although I know the final decision must be mine!

My wife and I have a nice 2003 Coachman VIP 520/4 van which I pull with a Kia Sorento.  No probs with it at all  BUT  as I've got older I find WE need a little more space and I'm fed up up with making and unmaking the bed so I think the time has come for a fixed bed unit.

I like the idea of a Bailey Unicorn, but would have to choose betwee a single axle Valencia, or a twin axle Barcelona. Space wise the Barcelona fits the bill perfectly but I have no experience of towing a twin axle van and would appreciate any advice as to the pros and cons of such a switch. I'm not a slouch when it comes to towing but I don't want to make an expensive mistake.



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i tow a twin axle sterling with a Sorento, this is my 6th caravan and my first twin axle and in my experience the best caravan yet tows rock steady every time and i have done the Cornwall run 750mile round trip with this van for the last 6 years. just dont expect to move it without the car (very easy with) or a caravan mover unless you are superman, you can get 4 motor movers, or 2 motor movers, i have a 2 motor truma mover that works fine for me would not consider it without one.
4 wheels are in my experience are a lot more stable   

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10/9/2010 at 6:16pm
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I agree with alpiner.   We've just moved to a twin - very stable tow, lots more room. We too have the Truma mover - we couldn't negotiate getting onto our drive without it.   I'd certainly recommend one - no major issues at all.

The only thing that's not so simple is levelling it - but that's the subject of many a post here!


10/9/2010 at 6:51pm
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Twin wheelers will always be more stable, but if you want absolute stability go for a German 8' wide twin.

May be wise to avoid motor movers as they add a lot of weight - probably too much for the pared down MTPLM offered by Bailey - although they may uprate this for you at a price.

Reversing a twin is probably easier than reversing a single, and there is not much difficulty in leveling them providing you use planks rather than leveling ramps

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10/9/2010 at 7:11pm
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hi there we are on our third caravan and our first twin wheeler

as most have said a twin axle to me definatly tows more steady and stable and turning cornering and reversing our twin wheeler has been very easy i was suprised.

we have very limited space on our drive our caravan is 26 foot long and our drive is 30 foot long and reversed it on the drive easy if anything more easy than with our single wheeled caravans.we got it reversed on as far back as we could before car touches fence then me and the misses pushed it the last few foot back.our abbey spectrum 620 has a maximum weight of 1740kg so not the easiest to move with human power so next on our wish list is a motor mover or get the highways agency to more the lampost which stops me backing straight on !!!

is there anyone you know with a twin wheel you could have a test drive with or if you are buying from a dealer see if they will let you tow before you buy

good luck with it and in my opinion twin wheel caravans are better to tow!!!

 



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I use ramps with my TA, its easy. One in front of wheel, pull up onto it, 2nd wheel lifts naturally, 2nd ramp under that from the rear and slight roll back to take the weight. You vary the the height easily by how far you mount the first ramp. Towed most things and, TA vans are just the best, best on bumpy A & B roads - ride the pot holes better - dont bounce the same. Best on motorways - safer if one tyre blows out. Great to reverse - just dont expect to shift it by hand! We dont have a mover, but if you need to get in really tight spot it would be useful.


10/9/2010 at 9:00pm
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Twin axles are usually more for insurance as they are highly sought after by the travelling fraternity.

Will be difficult to fit the new Alko wheel locks on a twin as you need to line up the lock with the hole in the hub. Easy on the single with the mover, but with a twin you will have to jack it up. Insurers will insist on two locks.



10/9/2010 at 9:03pm
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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 10/9/2010

Twin axles are usually more for insurance as they are highly sought after by the travelling fraternity.




I think you missed out the word 'allegedly' I don't think a twin axle is any more sought after than a German van - just another caravan myth

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10/9/2010 at 10:06pm
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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 10/9/2010

Twin axles are usually more for insurance as they are highly sought after by the travelling fraternity.

Will be difficult to fit the new Alko wheel locks on a twin as you need to line up the lock with the hole in the hub. Easy on the single with the mover, but with a twin you will have to jack it up. Insurers will insist on two locks.




Yes - this is what you have to do, but it only takes 2 minutes, and it's not a tricky job - line up the front wheel, put in the lock then jack up, move the second wheel by hand and - job done.


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I heard that single axle vans were faster than those big wobbly twins !


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10/9/2010 at 11:51pm
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I may be wrong, but thought some sites specifically exclude twin axles???


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Never been asked whether we have a TA yet in 3 years of booking sites! And we've been one end of the country to the other. Never heard of any sites refusing TA! Some sites dont take large units, but that does not mean they are TA. Some new SA vans are nearly the same length as my TA. Infact I saw a SA Hobby that was huge recently. Horses for courses!
Dont knock em until you've tried em!


11/9/2010 at 7:56am
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As far as towing is concerned the twin has no real drawbacks and its inherent reticence to turning without shearing across the tyre/road contact face adds stability. This makes smoother reversing easier as well as damping out minor yawing on the road.
This very reticence however makes it more difficult to manoeuvre when uncoupled and if you need to do very tight positioning and turns then you can face difficulties. Man handling in confined areas I found a non starter.

If you dont have these tight manoeuvring restrains where you are uncoupled a twin is a lovely option.

I would speculate but thankfully haven't tested it that the immediate effects of a blowout are not so severe? However you would need to know a tyre has gone pretty quickly before its overloaded sibling follows it.


11/9/2010 at 8:10am
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Quote: Originally posted by flip53 on 10/9/2010


I may be wrong, but thought some sites specifically exclude twin axles???

They do( essieu (essieux pl ) nm axle )

This sign was at the municipal site in Malestroit ,Brittany this year

The adjacent large car park was full of travellers vans mainly twin axle

They do say that you can tell owners of twin axle vans as they are the ones with bad backs from tryng yo push themi



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Ahhh The French - bless em!
Always accommodating!

The agricultural and commercial world always use SA trailers for work, they are so much better for towing and carrying weight evenly!! NOT

Why push a TA when you can reverse it, never pushed ours in 3 years yet!

After owing both, I wont go back to single.

The choice is yours at the end of the day! Happy vanning!


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Another plus with twin axles is that you can use the cheaper car tyres instead of reinforced types...




Mind you, you do have four of them to buy instead of two

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