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07/11/2010 at 7:09pm
Location: Surrey & New Forest Outfit: Fleetwood Heritage
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Having had Caravan Club “New for Old” insurance for the last 2 years we are now faced with having to make our first claim. This is due to a major over-voltage being put through the 2 year old caravan by the site electricians – so should be 3rd party de-frayable.
We could have claimed direct from the site itself – but after discussing with their Loss Adjustor he recommended we use our own insurance – since the site insurance would only pay out “like-for-like” replacing our caravan with a similar 2 year old model – roughly £13,000 worth. He said it would also be quicker to go via our own insurers.
Since we use the caravan almost every weekend we need a fast solution!
However, a conversation with the Insurance Assessor appointed via the Caravan Club Insurance brokers seems to indicate that “new for old” doesn’t mean what we thought it did!
Instead of taking our 2 estimates (roughly £12,000 - £13,000)– which put the caravan as un-repairable against its market value ie £13,000- the Caravan Club Insurance Assessor is saying that they would be prepared to fund repairs up to the full policy value of cover for a NEW replacement ie £23,500 less its salvage value roughly 35-40% ie £6,000 leaving a total of £17,500 for repairs!
We find it hard to believe that they are prepared to spend MORE than the market value on a van – to avoid having to actually give us a NEW caravan for our OLD caravan – which is what we expected.
Has anyone else had similar experiences? URGENT HELP NEEDED!
Lee & Trish
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07/11/2010 at 9:00pm
Location: Keswick Outfit: Bailey
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This is a most unfortunate case, especially as the problems with your van are completely not of your own making. However, with claims there are a number of issues to consider first before any advice can be given. Hard as it may sound we have firstly to consider whether you have omitted to do something in relation to the insurance cover you have
First: The CC insurance will pay out either the market value or limit of indemnity – It is vital each time that insurance is renewed that we lift the limit of cover to the right new for old level. What did you stipulate in your application for renewal as the value of the van? If you stipulated a value for the van at a level lower than its new replacement value than all you are entitled to is the “limit of indemnity” you have stipulated.
Second: Was the van protected by the security devices required by the policy? Matters not in terms of preventing the electrical surge but the policy requires you to have the relevant security devices in place.
So, let’s assume that you had the right level of financial cover and devices in place, then what? Was the caravan actually destroyed? It had to be for you to get new for old. Is the assessor saying that the van is not destroyed and can be repaired? He is entitled to put that view forward. New for old does not mean that you get that everytime. It depends on the circumstances.
With a van worth £13,000 and repairs at £13,000 that does not mean that the van is not repairable. It may not in most circumstances be economical, but it is still repairable.
Lets now look at your storage owners position. Its insurers have merely set out to you the level of cover the owner has. You can still claim off his insurers for the sum he is covered for and then off the owner, personally, for any losses over and above what the insurers pay out. Put a claim in to the owner for the full replacement value cost and tell him to sort out with his insurers just how they apportion the debt between them. At the same time keep going with your own insurance claim through the CC until you get the deal sorted one way or the other. Just check your storage contract first as many indicate that you have to your insurance for claims, rather than claim off the storage company. Mind you the Unfair Contract Terms Act probably negates that as a way out for the storage company.
Phil
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08/11/2010 at 8:33am
Location: Polesworth Warwickshire Outfit: Bailey Unicorn III Valencia (LR Disco)
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..... (following on from my previous post)..... on the other hand, if the market value of your van is £13,000 and the estimated cost of repair is £12-13,000, it would cost the CC more to replace the van (i.e. if the Market value of your present van is £13,000, a new van might be £16,000 now ?) As your van is not a total loss, and therefore can be repaired, and the Insurance are not obliged to pay New for Old except if it is a total loss, it would be in the insurance company's best interest to pay £12-13,000 rather than £16,000. If I have understood the situation correctly.
------------- David
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