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26/2/2011 at 10:20am
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My caravan is kept at my fathers house on his drive. My drive is not big enough. We lost my mother a year ago and they both had a T4 little camper van. I have tried to keep my father encouraged to use his camper now on his own and he is only using it when he comes with us. bearing in mind he is on his own and lives in a detached house the neigbour women next door came round about 4 months ago complaining about my van and was we going to move it. The van has been there for 3 years up to this point. My father did his best being 74 years old to counter these comments.   I spoke to him and said i didnt want him to feel at odds with his neighbour so i have put my name down for storage. Yesterday they approached my father again asking when is it going to be moved and now they claim that the women has got depression and has been to the doctors. I just cannot beleive it depression for a caravan on a drive and they are to a point bullying a old man putting him in a very difficult situation. He said to them that we are waiting for storage and it takes time.

Does anybody have any comments or advice?



26/2/2011 at 10:27am
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Hi, Providing there are no restrictions on your Fathers property to keeping a caravan on the drive I would go round to the nieghbours myself and tell them the facts, if they don't like it tough!!

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26/2/2011 at 10:29am
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Se may well be depressed. lots of people are. However if your van has been on your fathers drve for three years, it's probably somthng else shes depressed about but blaming your caravan, Shame folk can't mind their own business & worry about what's within their own boundary.

I'd suggest you make sure you're within your rights to keep the van there, you may find restrictons in place. If you are OK having it there, tell them to stop moaning to your father or you'll seek advice to have them stopped upsetting your father.

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26/2/2011 at 10:35am
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Its very difficult to read anothers mind. It could just be a ploy to put pressure to have the caravan removed or it could quite genuinely be causing her stress. Although you could argue that it is nothing to do with her she does have to look at it and to some it might be no different to having some massive Transit type van parked outside your house. Perhaps its you that should be talking to her to take the pressure of your father. If you are perfectly within your right to have the van there, ie no covenents or other restrictions perhaps, in a very polite way, that needs to be pointed out. You could also mention, that given his recent loss its very unfair for her to take it out on your father but of course she will see him as the house holder and therefore responsible.

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There is no restrictions for the van being there. She just dosent like the fact that she can see it and feels it brings the neighboorhood down espiecially her house. I think the fact that this winter i put a cover on it (grey) she felt that it was just a 23 foot breeze block. We have told her that when we get storage it will be in storage during the winter but in the summer it will stay. (with the cover off in the summer)

She also claims it blocks her light. I dont know how she can claim this as the only room near it is her bedroom on the ground floor. I thought most people sleep with there eyes shut.



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26/2/2011 at 11:16am
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Quote: Originally posted by Jason Neville on 26/2/2011

There is no restrictions for the van being there. She just dosent like the fact that she can see it and feels it brings the neighboorhood down espiecially her house. I think the fact that this winter i put a cover on it (grey) she felt that it was just a 23 foot breeze block. We have told her that when we get storage it will be in storage during the winter but in the summer it will stay. (with the cover off in the summer)

She also claims it blocks her light. I dont know how she can claim this as the only room near it is her bedroom on the ground floor. I thought most people sleep with there eyes shut.


Hi, If van in front of your window in drive,can see where shes comming from(with restricted light)But if van at side of house,there should'nt be a problem,some pics of van in drive could be helpful,is it possible,that the vans could be in reverse order, might ease the situation.

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26/2/2011 at 11:22am
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Agree with Metz. I would add that when talking to the Lady I would be tempted to advise her that you are inclined to report to the Police the harrassment of your father. They may see it as a matter for them not to get involved in, but we are talking here of an elderly vulnerable gentleman.

If the van obstructs light, it can unless that person has a "right to light". Many people do not understand how the law works on rights to light. It may assist you if I set out the legalities

A Right of Light has to be acquired before you can claim it. It is acquired either by common law, granted by the Prescription Act 1832, or granted by your Dad or any previous occupier of the house under a written agreement.

If you check the title deeds, and the houses are on a private estate built in the last 40/50 years then there are probably reservations of light over the adjoining properties. So she may have some claim to a right to light. If she does not through the Deeds then look below.

To claim a Common law right the neighbour would need to show that the “light” to her windows has been there since 1189 (What is known as the beginning of the time of legal memory under the Statute of Westminster 1275).  So we can forget that unless she has a very old house!

Under the Prescription Act she would need to show a minimum of 20 years uninterrupted enjoyment of light through a window or opening. 20 years enjoyment can be defeated. If she can show 40 years uninterrupted enjoyment of light then she can claim it without challenge. I take it there has never been any claim in the past, so the onus is on her to show 40 years enjoyment of the right to light.

Bet dad never entered into an agreement with her to give her a right of light.

If she can claim a “right to light” that is not the end of it. She has to show that the reduction in light makes the property less fit than it was for its purpose. As you say its light to a bedroom so she is on a sticky wicket here.

Then (another hurdle) there is the 45 degree rule. Draw a line from the mid-point of the sill of the window she claims is adversely affected by the light, at an angle of 45 degrees towards the caravan. If the line touches the caravan it is likely to affect light to the room. Under this rule the van, being only about 8foot high, is going to have to be right up against the window.

So, just look at the physical characteristics, and history of the place and see if she has any of the makings of a claim to a right to light.

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26/2/2011 at 11:53am
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I think you make very good points and i know she cannot do very little about it.

But why do people feel so against caravan owners with vans on drive.



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There are nutters everywhere objecting about anything, lets hope it dosen't escalate(vandalism for example). Tell your dad to be polite to the neighbour but avoid getting into a conversation about it. It takes 2 to make an argument. It seems daft paying out for storage for no reason so with any luck it will blow over.


26/2/2011 at 12:06pm
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It wouldnt come to vandalism but perhaps i should send them the bill for storage costs?


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Quote: Originally posted by Jason Neville on 26/2/2011
It wouldnt come to vandalism but perhaps i should send them the bill for storage costs?

Interesting concept. Try telling her that to move the van it will cost some £300 per year and you are happy to do that, but recession and all that times are hard etc. but if she will pay (as you are legally entitled to park it on the drive)........ When it comes to money folks tend to see things differently

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26/2/2011 at 12:16pm
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I do not store my van at home and I would not be very happy if one of my immediate neighbours did. I think it is unfair for people to have to look at my van every time they look out of their window I certainly don't want the view from my windows spoilt by a hulking great white wall of plastic or aluminium. Once upon a time people tried to be good neighbours, now it's more a question of I'm all right so stuff you.

 

 

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If they ain't the type likely to vandalise it then just 'politely' ignore them. Don't even go there about suggesting she pays storage costs, you have as little right to ask that as she has to ask you to move it, so its not a compromise, its an escalation of the argument.

Certainly it could be a fair point that a caravan on a drive is an eyesore, no its not 'jealously', anybody objecting will have no concept of caravanning anyway. They just see it as an ugly white box.

Perhaps your Dad thinks the woman has a point, maybe he can easily afford the storage costs & wants to move the van. Most folk don't find it pleasant to be at daggers drawn with their neighbours, but fact remains, he don't have to move it & if he don't want to, any further conversation with the neighbour on't subject would be pointless.


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I would think it odd that its took her 3 years to complain and would be poping round myslef to fined out why. is it the cover she doenst like the look off. we have our van on the drive and i know personlity if it started looking dirty i wouldnt want to look at it so hubby washes it at least once a month. were as the van around the corner has been complained about and when i have spoken to thoues that complained it was teh fact that the van was dirty they didnt like more than anything. so it may not catuliy be the van it could be the cover. some people have strange ideas so untill you chat to them you realy wont know.

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I have compromised - i have said i will put it in storage in the winter but it will be there in the summer i think thats a good comprimse. but i find it such cheek of people and to claim drepression over the top




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