I'm new to this forum & am looking for a bit of advise, please.
Myself & my husband are looking to buy a caravan for us & our young family & are interested in the Baily Pegasus II Ancona & the Altea Adria. We are looking to buy this caravan as an investment which will grow with our family so not looking to change for the next 10 years.
The Adria straight away beats the Pegasus over the price for a similar layout but with the Adria you have to pay for extra's whereas the Pegasus the price is all in. The Adria has wider bunks which may be better when our children are teenagers but the Pegasus has a separate shower cubical which is more practical.
The Adria is more basic where the Pegasus has more comfort & as my husband pointed out, the pegasus body is built by 3 parts together which is a better build. The bailey's also seems to hold a very good secondhand price, especially the family ones.
Bascially what I think I'm trying to say is, would you invest that little bit more & buy a Bailey Pegasus?
I like Baileys but you have to be careful with bunks as our son is a tall 12 year old and can just fit lengh ways on our bunks but then most of the time he wants to sleep in his little tent now. Our girls aged 10 and 6 love their fixed bunks as they can get on them and have a sleep or just a play during they day and the bonus is that we don't have to make beds up in the evevning LOL
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Hi we have the Adria Altea 542 UK and absolutely love it. OK the van is a bit basic but you learn to live with that. Cooking becomes a whole new experience, and it has everything else. I have found that unless you intend to rally, you will nearly always use sites with showers so the separate shower becomes a storage cupboard. The bunks are wide and allow the kids 13 and 4 plenty of space. The dinettee next to the bunks converts to a single bed, which is also very wide. Also beaware of the weight difference between the two vans 1300 kgs loaded)(mtplm) for Adria and approx 1500 kgs for the Ancona approx. making this in the realm of larger estates or 4x4's. We have pulled our Altea with a Focus 2.0 tdci estate with no problems and now with a volvo v70 estate. Both van are excellent in there own right but it is down to personal preference, but plenty on this forum will agree that the Adria Altea 542 uk is excellent value for money. As teh ancona is new the reviews are not in yet.
We had the 542UK and loved it so much we bought the 542DT. This looks a lot more modern and has polyester sides. The fixed bunks are great! How many children do you have and how old are they?We love the adria. It is so family friendly
I don't think the fuel will be that much different. The adria's have a longer drawbar and there are a lot more stable and of course being lighter it will be a lot more comfortable to tow. The Adria's also use glue to join the front panel to the roof and back panel instead of screws(as do the latest car chassis) so less chance of water ingress compared to a tradionally built uk caravan. I know the baileys are different again( only time will tell)
The Adria's are generally well praised by their owners and seem very well built. All those I know with Adria's have been very pleased with them.
That's not to say the Bailey camp aren't suitably pleased; I have a Bailey and am pleased with it but when I bought it, it was a close call between this van and an Adria (a superb ex-demo price clinched the Bailey though).
I'd seriously look at the Adria range when I come to change and don't forget that the current Bailey builds are still relatively new construction wise.
If this were my choice, I'd seriously consider the Adria option.
We own an Adria 542DT and are more than happy with it, certainly suits our family of 5. At the time when we purchased ours there wasn't much out there with similar build quality to suit our pocket (the polyester sides/roof are fantastic extremely robust along with the rest of the construction).
I am sure if we were presented with the new bailey it would have been a very difficult decision. I am sure you wont go wrong with either but the Adria has been a fantastic van so far.
We have a triple bunk newish caravan and we are only planning to keep it for 4-5 years maximum. Personally, I think that if you are looking for a new caravan to last you 10 years you may be better (depending on number of children) with a double bunk layout such as Coachman Amara 570/6 although this would probably be too heavy, as although the bunk width is important, as the children get older they will appreciate the added headroom too.
Between the two vans you mention the Ancona would win hands down for us.
Thats a lovely caravan layout you mentioned Fiona (Coachman Amara 570/6) & yes my husband has said 10 years is a little optimistic! lol But you learn from research....
Our two children are currently infant school age so 3 bunks is ok at the moment but looking into the future, something with 2 bunks instead of 3 would be the way forward.
The Ancona looks like a brilliant layout. We have the Pegasus 646 which is a twin axle and a bit bigger. I find Adrias a bit basic inside and not as luxurious as the Pegasus. Also, watch out for things that don't come as standard with Adria - some friends of ours don't have electric heating, for example - the Truma heater in the Adria is gas only.
How old are the children? A separate shower cubicle can be a huge benefit if they're young. We always use our caravan shower - so much easier with children, especially on a full service pitch..
Quote: Originally posted by Andy R on 05/3/2011
I find Adrias a bit basic inside and not as luxurious as the Pegasus
I was going to say that Andy but thought I might get lynched!!!
We love that Coachman and were all set for buying it at the NEC this time around but then we saw the private sale of our 2009 Lunar in July which turned out to be a complete bargain complete with awning and mover and our plans swiftly changed. Definitely the right layout for us and never regretted any part of it for a moment.
I would imagine that after buying a brand new caravan which you intend to replace at some point that after a number of years it may make better economical sense to trade in for a replacement whilst its value is fairly high than maybe wait for 10 years and probably worth very little towards its replacement.
Our Lunar Zenith has the rear two bunk lay out. We did look at the vans with three bunks, but the lack of space between the bunks put us off a bit, however our two bundles of joy are now 8 and 10, so a bit different. The third ground floor level bunk would have just been used for storage, so in effect a two bunk solution with more space, and storage under the lower bunk made more sense.
There is no cupboard at the end of the Zenith, which is good because both bunks are full length. A mate of mine has the Bailey Ranger with the rear bunks and the cupoard attached to the bunks which shortens the lower bunk. The smallest of his two daughters can still fit in the shorter bunk, but for how much longer, who knows?
Just to add to points already made: we have two boys now 11 and 9 and started out 4 years ago with a bailey pageant bretagne whihc we loved. But, we go 600 miles south in France and we weren't happy with towing it with our bmw touring and the bunks started to feel small for the boys last year. We swappped for an Adria 532UK last year - great value, we sold the baileys fir 9400 and bought the adria for 8600 and it was a year newer. The compromise is that, yes it does not have a microwave or outdoor socket, but inside it feels like a room rather than a corridor. The double bed is a challenge at first to put up, but everything feels much more solid and the fixed bunks would be suitable till the boys are too old to come with us. This was a major thing for us. The windows are much bigger - a single front window and it is flooded with light. As it has suspension (or the equivalent I don't pretend to know the technical term) it is a dream to tow and we breeze through any distance with a lot less stress. My oh who drives thinks that we would never go back to a van without independent suspension as we like to do long distances. We will keep this van now till the boys go off in a tent and we can have a nice little two berth on the drive. Lots of people love Baileys, but we found towing ours quite stressful even with even weight distribution and our car was fit for purpose. I thought that I would never buy a second hand caravan, but if you get the right one, you can get a real bargain - why go for new if you could find a nearly new van much cheaper? Most vans for sale of only one or two years old are like new as they are being sold cos they're not being used.
Anyway, excuse my ramblings and enjoy your search!
We don't have a Pegasus but do have an olympus. The bailey range you are interested in has as standard the shock absorbers, ATC trailer control and stabiliser - all of these contribute to more stable towing even if correct loading is the most important.
If you are thinking of rallying the separate shower will be a godsend. Our first van had a shower in front of the toilet and this was all ways an issue as just as someone was using the shower another wanted the loo.
The insulation on the Pegasus is excellent - if you intend to use your van throughout the year (if not then why???) this will keep you warmer without using too much fuel. (we were away at a rally over new year and were as warm as toast!!)
Thre reason we like these two caravans are because of their bathrooms. We have been researching caravan layouts with fixed bunks and there are a lot on the market with side bathrooms but really want to have a seperate shower or seperate shower area as it would really bug me to have a tiny space to show in on top of the bathroom. We also want to be self-suficent when we go off on holiday and have young children.
We also want to be able to load up the caravan at home prior to going away & our drive way will only take a caravan no longer than 25 ft. The other caravan we love is the Bailey Senator Carolina but have had to rule this out as its too long for us!