Home

   Log in or Register



Insurance Quotes
forums Campsite Search Comp Directory tips virtual brochure Profile
Tent and Awning Reviews Competitions Caravans and Motorhomes For Sale Shopping Diary Advent Calendar

Advertisement

Message Forums

Welcome Guest Register Login Search The Forum Posts Since Last Visit
 Reception - All Forums
  Caravans and Caravanning
Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email  Printer Friendly Version Print
Subject Topic: Could I tow this?
Page:  1  2 Post Reply Post New Topic
26/2/2012 at 3:58pm
 Location: Midlothian
 Outfit: Vango Amazon 600 (2008)
View tazhearts's Profile View Profile   Reply to tazhearts Reply   Quote tazhearts Quote  
Joined: 23/2/2009

Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   189

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I am going to see a caravan this afternoon but am worried that my car will struggle to tow it because the van is huge!

I am going to see an Elddis Tween Knowepark Special, 27 foot (8.2 meters) long, MIRO 1400Kg. It's a twin axle.

I previously towed a Lunar Zenith 6 (7.26 meters long, MIRO 1025Kg) single axle so it's a fairly big hike in weight.

i drive a 1997 VW Sharan 1.9TDI but it's only the 90 BHP model and it was a bit of a struggle towing the Lunar Zenith.

If I buy the Elddis Tween I will be upgrading to a Ford Galaxy (03 plate) 1.9TDI with 130 BHP (we need a 7 seater with a decent mpg's).

The Elddis Tweed is going to be about 90% the weight of the towing car according to the What Tow Car website.

What are people's thoughts about towing with a weight ratio of up to 90%? Will it help that it's a twin axle.

I am just nervous about shelling out 6K for a caravan I can't tow. Although the furthest we normally take the van is about 100 miles.

http://is02.thegumtree.com/image/big/111327334.jpg

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWs4vOir1nrOfZYavxwQleUwSYiatQlYB4J1qiR1CAA65Jzv6KeQ

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQfQ2alN5MuDLC9zUFO1qw0T_AdkpxjcZwx8LViOw4yJyC2hlU6

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2pmNPIms3p4nF2vSo5vud4-d11MZBGjGDmVwwZEdHkd8D-Kl-kQ

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSr6ZT5hTH37TnJT5QHqTqc2OY7oTKLFOP2uhe7YtmJoISs2l7L

http://is01.thegumtree.com/image/big/111327253.jpg


26/2/2012 at 3:58pm
 Location: Midlothian
 Outfit: Vango Amazon 600 (2008)
View tazhearts's Profile View Profile   Reply to tazhearts Reply   Quote tazhearts Quote  
Joined: 23/2/2009

Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   189

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0



Discounted Insurance Quotes for UKCampsite.co.uk visitors! Up to 12.5% off!
UKCampsite.co.uk users are rewarded with up to 12.5% off Caravan Guard touring caravan insurance, folding camper and trailer tent insurance, and 5% off motorhome and campervan insurance. Static caravan insurance is also available. Get an online quote now

26/2/2012 at 4:12pm
 Location: NE Scotland
 Outfit: Bailey Phoenix + CRV
View oxter's Profile View Profile   Reply to oxter Reply   Quote oxter Quote  
Joined: 02/10/2003

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   3894

Site Reviews Total: 83
Site Reviews 2024: 3  
Site Reviews 2023: 2  
Site Reviews 2022: 7  
Site Reviews 2021: 2  
Site Reviews 2020: 2  
Site Reviews 2019: 6  
Site Reviews 2018: 8  
Site Nights 2024: 14
Site Nights 2023: 14
Site Nights 2022: 47
Site Nights 2021: 14
Site Nights 2020: 11
Site Nights 2019: 36
Site Nights 2018: 8

http://www.towcar.info/basic_index.php

Will give you all the info you need.

 

Edit - You've already checked.  Sorry I missed that.  85% is optional and as you are aware your max braked towing weight will be in your V50 doc



-------------
playing at tinkies


26/2/2012 at 4:25pm
 Location: Berkshire
 Outfit: No current outfit
View dazzer252's Profile View Profile   Reply to dazzer252 Reply   Quote dazzer252 Quote  
Joined: 20/6/2011

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   527

Site Reviews Total: 5
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

What is the MTPLM weight of the van? You really need to be using this figure to see if it matches the car as the MIRO doesn't include anything in the van, i,e battery, gas bottles, luggage, etc. I would therefore expect you will be looking at a MTPLM (at a guess) around 1650kg? I personally think this may be far to heavy for the galaxy as I seem to recall their kerbweight is around 1700kg? Also the noseweight on older galaxy's may be an issue as I think they are around 80-85kg which you may stuggle with with a twin axle.



26/2/2012 at 4:35pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View Opensauce's Profile View Profile   Reply to Opensauce Reply   Quote Opensauce Quote  
Joined: 25/1/2010

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   4530

Site Reviews Total: 13
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

It will be slow on hills with 90bhp, but provided you are within car's specified towing limit you will be ok.


Advertisement



26/2/2012 at 4:38pm
 Location: Berkshire
 Outfit: No current outfit
View dazzer252's Profile View Profile   Reply to dazzer252 Reply   Quote dazzer252 Quote  
Joined: 20/6/2011

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   527

Site Reviews Total: 5
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Just had a look around the net and think this is based on the Avante ....if so MTPLM is 1650kg so you will probably need something heavier....i.e 4x4


26/2/2012 at 4:49pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
View janus's Profile View Profile   Reply to janus Reply   Quote janus Quote  
Joined: 05/2/2008

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2979

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

The Eldis and the Galaxy will do the job just fine, and you will not notice the difference between towing a light caravan with an 85% match and a heavy caravan with a 90% match. I tow a 1450kg Hymer Nova with a 1496kg Mondeo and it is superbly stable and an easy tow.

-------------
Bill

For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

Mondeo Titanium 140 tdci


26/2/2012 at 4:59pm
 Location: Berkshire
 Outfit: No current outfit
View dazzer252's Profile View Profile   Reply to dazzer252 Reply   Quote dazzer252 Quote  
Joined: 20/6/2011

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

Forum Posts:   527

Site Reviews Total: 5
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by janus on 26/2/2012
The Eldis and the Galaxy will do the job just fine, and you will not notice the difference between towing a light caravan with an 85% match and a heavy caravan with a 90% match. I tow a 1450kg Hymer Nova with a 1496kg Mondeo and it is superbly stable and an easy tow.
If tha galaxy is 1700kg (to be confirmed) and the vans MTPLM is 1650kg then this is a 97% ratio.....considering the size of the van I wouldn't tow with this outfit as can't see it been that stable. If the car was heavier than 1700kg then the figures may look better. I think the OP has used the MIRO figures for the weight, hence why I have suggested the figures need rechecking using the MTPLM.


26/2/2012 at 5:03pm
 Location: Lancashire
 Outfit: Caravan now Sold
View michael's Profile View Profile   Reply to michael Reply   Quote michael Quote  
Joined: 30/6/2002

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   23517

Site Reviews Total: 1
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

if you are in the caravan club they will do a match for you.

-------------
the only silly question is the one you do not ask.


26/2/2012 at 8:10pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View magsruby's Profile View Profile   Reply to magsruby Reply   Quote magsruby Quote  
Joined: 29/8/2011

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   426

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by janus on 26/2/2012
The Eldis and the Galaxy will do the job just fine, and you will not notice the difference between towing a light caravan with an 85% match and a heavy caravan with a 90% match. I tow a 1450kg Hymer Nova with a 1496kg Mondeo and it is superbly stable and an easy tow.

Hardly the best of advice, from a safety aspect.
I would personally disregard this.

The outfit you describe sounds too heavy for a 90bhp diesel. At the very least you are asking for trouble with the car (clutch wear, overheating, transmission wear etc etc).

The 85% rule is based on Maximum Gross weight (MTPLM or whatever ridiculous set of initials they use these days) definitely NOT the unladen weight (OK, MIRO!).

A caravan is never likely to be at it's MIRO weight ever again after leaving the factory. The car may well pull it, but it will struggle, & the ford Galaxy is the same car as a VW Sharan anyway, so unlikely to be much different, just a bit newer.

-------------
Matt.


Advertisement



26/2/2012 at 11:53pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
View janus's Profile View Profile   Reply to janus Reply   Quote janus Quote  
Joined: 05/2/2008

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2979

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Quote: Originally posted by magsruby on 26/2/2012
Quote: Originally posted by janus on 26/2/2012The Eldis and the Galaxy will do the job just fine, and you will not notice the difference between towing a light caravan with an 85% match and a heavy caravan with a 90% match. I tow a 1450kg Hymer Nova with a 1496kg Mondeo and it is superbly stable and an easy tow.
Hardly the best of advice, from a safety aspect.
I would personally disregard this.

The outfit you describe sounds too heavy for a 90bhp diesel. At the very least you are asking for trouble with the car (clutch wear, overheating, transmission wear etc etc).

The 85% rule is based on Maximum Gross weight (MTPLM or whatever ridiculous set of initials they use these days) definitely NOT the unladen weight (OK, MIRO!).

A caravan is never likely to be at it's MIRO weight ever again after leaving the factory. The car may well pull it, but it will struggle, & the ford Galaxy is the same car as a VW Sharan anyway, so unlikely to be much different, just a bit newer.

Firstly the galaxy that the OP was going to change to is the 130bhp model and as a 2003 model as opposed to the 1997 Touran is a vast change, and knowing the engine and vehicle will have no problems of being underpowered. Secondly the differential weightwise at the 90% level that the OP posted is 170kg and the differential Between that and 85% of a 1600 kg Sharan is in weight terms not great.
Again from knowledge of the vehicle and its towing ability l can state quite bluntly that the Galaxy with a 90% Towing ratio will be stable at all legal speeds and will show no signs of instability when it reaches those limits.
The OP asked a simple question about what peoples opinion was of towing a caravan with a 90% match, I gave him one. I did not pontificate about an 85% rule that does not exist, it is a recommendation and if read properly it quite clearly states that a towing ratio of up to 100% is quite acceptable given the right set of circumstances.
Now if you want a discussion of the legalities of towing weights, and what is acceptable then I am your man, but personally I prefer to answer the questions that are asked as honestly as possible and leave each individual to sort themselves out

Best towing practice would suggest that a 90% towing match is fine especially since the person asking the question has taken the trouble to ask about it. Then of course we would have to consider the actual towing match which is a far more relevant piece of information, that being the case since Tazhearts says he needs 7 seats it is reasonable to assume that the car as it sets out would weigh far more than its kerbweight and considerably more than the MTPLM of the caravan and that probably the actual towing match would probably be less than 85%



Post last edited on 26/02/2012 23:59:46

-------------
Bill

For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

Mondeo Titanium 140 tdci


27/2/2012 at 1:38pm
 Location: sheffield
 Outfit: Avondale Dart 525 4 & Ford Galaxy
View bill + kay w's Profile View Profile   Reply to bill + kay w Reply   Quote bill + kay w Quote  
Joined: 26/6/2008

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   341

Site Reviews Total: 3
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

hiya,

      we have a 61 plate galaxy 1600 petrol  with the eco boost engine,  it has a 160 bhp engine with a maximum braked tow weight of 1600 kg. We were told the 1900 diesol engine had a smaller tow limit so we went with the 1600 eco boost. I would check with the caravan club or ring Lookers (ford ) and ask them the maximum towing weight for the galaxy you are getting to be safe. hope this helps.

 

                                                atb Bill



-------------
Bill n Kay

............................
when the going gets tough... get someone else to do it.....

I smile besause I have'nt a clue whats going on... appreciate everything in life especially your friends...


27/2/2012 at 3:42pm
 Location: Bristol
 Outfit: Bailey Pageant Monarch
View baileyman's Profile View Profile   Reply to baileyman Reply   Quote baileyman Quote  
Joined: 19/1/2005

Silver Member
Silver Member

Forum Posts:   148

Site Reviews Total: 4
Site Reviews 2024: 1  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 1  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 1
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 7
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

I have an 03 plate Seat Alhambra, 130bhp. I tow a Bailey Senator Indiana and it performs very well. On motorways I tend to cruise at about 56mph and it will do that all day long without any effort and in 6th gear most of the time.

Am very confident it would tow the Elddis you are thinking of.


27/2/2012 at 4:13pm
 Location: Rochdale
 Outfit: Hymer Nova 470 Mondeo titanium 140tdc
View janus's Profile View Profile   Reply to janus Reply   Quote janus Quote  
Joined: 05/2/2008

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2979

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Looking at the latest ford website spec on your galaxy the 2 litre disel has a max towing weight of 1800kg and the 2.2 litre diesel has a max towing weight of 2000kg, though it would be necessary o see what the plate on the car says to get a definitive answer.

There are no longer details of the 2003 galaxy on the ord website but a search or the data points to The Parkers guide which states the 1.9TD has a max towing weight of 2000kg though again it would be necessary to check the plate on the car to get the deinitive answer.


-------------
Bill

For a licence dated 1997 or later you must add together the plated max weight of the caravan and trailer, if the total is 3500 or less you can tow it. You may even tow a caravan with a MAM greater than the cars unladen mass the restriction was removed in 2013

Mondeo Titanium 140 tdci


27/2/2012 at 5:25pm
 Location: West Mids
 Outfit: Swift Ace Statesman & X-Trail 2.0
View G7ACU's Profile View Profile   Reply to G7ACU Reply   Quote G7ACU Quote  
Joined: 22/9/2008

Diamond Member
Diamond Member

Forum Posts:   2617

Site Reviews Total: 11
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

As Janus rightly suggests, check vehicle data on the plate for weights etc., but uktow (highly accurate) quotes the Galaxy 1.9 as having a tow limit of 2000kgs.
The Op has mentioned his choice of car being a 130bhp model though, and while I'm not contesting this, I'd suggest checking this fully (to save later confusion) as the info I've found indicates the 130bhp was available from '05 onwards, with the 2003 model being either a 90 or 115bhp engine.

-------------
Paul

Every day's a school day!


27/2/2012 at 6:25pm
 Location: 
 Outfit: 
View magsruby's Profile View Profile   Reply to magsruby Reply   Quote magsruby Quote  
Joined: 29/8/2011

Gold Member
Gold Member

Forum Posts:   426

Site Reviews Total: 0
Site Reviews 2024: 0  
Site Reviews 2023: 0  
Site Reviews 2022: 0  
Site Reviews 2021: 0  
Site Reviews 2020: 0  
Site Reviews 2019: 0  
Site Reviews 2018: 0  
Site Nights 2024: 0
Site Nights 2023: 0
Site Nights 2022: 0
Site Nights 2021: 0
Site Nights 2020: 0
Site Nights 2019: 0
Site Nights 2018: 0

Well, I personally wouldn't tow a twin axle with anything less than a 4X4. & I wouldn't go taking advice from janus either (sorry).

Also, the OP was suggesting they are basing their figures on the MIRO, not the MTPLM.

These numbers need to be right before you go chosing an outfit. The MIRO should never even come into the equation.

-------------
Matt.



In order to post a reply you will need to register, or if already registered please log in here

Prev       Next

Jump To Page:  1  2

Quick Links - All Forums - Caravans and Caravanning - Top of Page

Printer Friendly Version Printable version      Share   Post on X / Twitter  Share on Facebook  Email


Latest News, Discounts and Competitions  see all...














3835 Visitors online !

Free UKCampsite.co.uk Window Sticker  -  Recommend to Friend  -  Add a Missing Campsite

[Message Forums]  [Caravan Sites & Camping]  [Company Listings]  [Features / Advice]  [Virtual Brochure]  [Shop!]
[Reception]  [Competitions]  [Caravans & Motorhomes For Sale]  [Event Diary]  [Contact Us]  [Tent Reviews



Please note we are not responsible for the content of external sites & any reviews represent the author's personal view only. Please report any error here. You may view our privacy and cookie policy and terms and conditions here. All copyrights & other intellectual property rights in the design and content of this web site are reserved to the UKCampsite.co.uk © 1999 - 2024


Advertisement


Advertisement


UKCampsite.co.uk
2024 Advent Calendar


Advent Calendar

24 Daily Prizes PLUS a Christmas Day Star Prize worth £999

Request a Reminder