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12/3/2014 at 9:39am
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So I thought I had decided on a battery until I mesured the box so need to start again.
I am going to use Tanya Batteries as they seem recommended and cheaper than most (postage is cheaper on their ebay page but just call and they will match it).
So I have 3 batteries.
Powerline £63 (110a)
Enduroline £ 105 (110a)
Banner £129 (115a)
Now they all seem the same but suppose they are budget to higher ranges. I use the motormover to move 50 to 70ft on tarmac depending on neighbours cars. We nearly always use EHU but will be away for one weekend for the TdF with no EHU. Is it really worth spending an extra £40/£50?
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12/3/2014 at 9:53am
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In my opinion the Banner is worth the extra as it has the ability to withstand more "usage" so potentially will give a longer life.

However your requirement which is basically one on EHU and with mover use, with only a single weekend of significant drain could be met by one of the budget batteries; I just would not if it was me buying as I know which is the better product.

If you abuse any battery it will fail quickly, so make sure whatever you buy is left fully charged and recharge ASAP after any use.

Banners did feature removable caps for topping up; probably still do.

Road-Pro is a Banner retailer.



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The problem i can see is, how much of the battery are you going to use when your away.If you run things on gas which can, and only the lights on the battery i dont see the sense of spending more.

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12/3/2014 at 10:01am
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I always like to buy quality products that last longer. However I did this last year and the battery drained and now unsure how much charge it will hold. Fridge and heater will be gas so only lights will be used on battery. i am thinking buy a budget brand but wanted to check it isn't a waste of money.


12/3/2014 at 10:10am
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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 12/3/2014
The problem i can see is, how much of the battery are you going to use when your away.If you run things on gas which can, and only the lights on the battery i dont see the sense of spending more.


The sense comes from the "durability" offered by the more correctly constructed battery; the more so if that one week-end away becomes more than once and particularly if longer.

The drain is very dependent on time of year so length of lighting required and use of the heater if that takes 12 V DC.

The cheaper constructed batteries are more suited for down to retaining still 80% full capacity, so drains of 22Ah from a 110 Ah rating. The Banners construction can take much deeper discharing, twice that amount down to 60%, ie 44Ah yielded power.

As I said earlier if your usage is as described then a cheaper battery will do but nevertheless it will not last as long even at that duty as a better constructed product.

 With the greatest respect I don't see the difficulty in the choice, you get here what you pay for, just purchase from the right dealers, fresh stock and battery specialist; where you are looking is about right.



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12/3/2014 at 10:19am
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Quote: Originally posted by jamesA114 on 12/3/2014
I always like to buy quality products that last longer. However I did this last year and the battery drained and now unsure how much charge it will hold. Fridge and heater will be gas so only lights will be used on battery. i am thinking buy a budget brand but wanted to check it isn't a waste of money.


If you or your charging system abuses batteries then even the best fail, just they stand up to "abuse" a bit better.

Earlier I said the real no nos for our batteries; most I hear about are user abuse or buying unsuitable products.

Those that swear by cheaply constructed leisure batteries are those who ask nothing of the battery, always on EHu and using movers, the latter, the mover, is no real hassle at all to a battery; long off EHUs are.



12/3/2014 at 1:46pm
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AGM batteries all the way for me,low discharge,will stand being discharged without affecting lifespan,spill proof and will stand a fair amount more abuse than a lead acid.

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12/3/2014 at 2:33pm
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There is a good article on batteries on the sterling power website.

Sterling power

It relates to batteries for boat use but a lot of what it says applies to leisure batteries. Leisure batteries do a basic job on caravans and the lead/acid batteries I have had have lasted for 6/7 years.

Very few caravanners will notice any difference between a decent lead/acid battery and the most expensive on the market if used properly. If you can get a numax 110 AHr for £69 and it lasts for 7 years then it can't be bad value. There is no guarantee the most expensive will last much longer than that.


12/3/2014 at 3:26pm
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But be aware that the Sterling article as Brian stated is for boat use, where the requirements of the battery technology is very different to our application.

We don't have to forgo the technical advantages of true Leisure/traction/deep cycle batteries to be able to survive a "rapid recharge" or to cold crank a marine diesel.

Better, technically to buy a product designed for the task you need it for, not one best suited to totally different and specific requirements!

You could draw better parallels with motorhomes that share a common starter/domestic battery. However now days even most motorhomes totally separate starting from domestic use and fit two different technology batteries to suit the very differing roles.


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If the whole article is read there is a lot of information that dispels some of the myths in the leisure battery sales patter.

'Watch the term leisure / deep cycle as it simply does not exist. The standard, so called, leisure batteries, are simply starter batteries with extra support for the active lead material. This may increase the life by 5 – 10 %, but does not turn a starter battery into a deep cycle battery.'

What he is saying is don't be conned into thinking the very expensive AGM batteries are going to give a drastically different experience to caravanning.


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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 12/3/2014

What he is saying is don't be conned into thinking the very expensive AGM batteries are going to give a drastically different experience to caravanning .



Where did you read that bit in the article?


Give him credit for what he actually said, and he did not make that statement, or address specifically battery selection for caravanning usage.


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This may help to clarify the use of batteries on 'boats'.

I have sailed many thousands of miles on sailing yachts, from 30ft to 50ft. All have had chunky diesel engines and run water pumps, fans, lighting, heating circulation fans, and fridge usually from at least two and, more commonly ,three or four batteries. 110 to 150Ah batteries.

BUT the switching of the batteries is crucial to the safety of the boat. ONE of the batteries is always reserved for starting the engine (which can, and has been in my experience, a life saver). No ehu in the Atlantic!

In emergency ALL the batteries can be drawn on to get the engine started. We towed a french yacht into Falmouth many years ago when they had run all their batteries flat by running the fridge non stop with all batteries connected.

In a sense a yacht is a floating motorhome when it comes to batteries! Except ALL batteries can be drawn on to start the engine. Good quality batteries and intelligent management are essential.


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I would also buy 'local' as well. If you have a problem down the line, you cant beat face to face 'sorting out' (in the amicable sense), as opposed to someone miles away on the end of a phone or email, who in reality couldnt give a toss as to whether you got recompense or not.

I always buy my batteries (and tyres) from a local tyre place down the hill. If ever ive had bother with anything, theyve replaced it at the drop of a hat.


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Having been a boat owner for many years, I can say that our use is not that much different to boaters. These days most boaters don't use the same batteries for starting the engines and for running the services. I know I didn't. My boat has two engines, both of which start off a dedicated starting battery, and once the engines are running either will charge both the starting battery and the domestic batteries. The main difference between my leisure battery use in the boat and the caravan, is the fact that in the boat I have bilge pumps, navigation lights, depth sounder, and a 12 volt only compressor fridge.

When running, the leisure batteries charged off the engines in exactly the same way as a caravan battery can be charged off the car.

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Quote: Originally posted by JTQU on 12/3/2014
Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 12/3/2014
What he is saying is don't be conned into thinking the very expensive AGM batteries are going to give a drastically different experience to caravanning .



Where did you read that bit in the article?


Give him credit for what he actually said, and he did not make that statement, or address specifically battery selection for caravanning usage.



The phrase 'what he is saying' means that 'his overall message is'. If I meant it as a direct quote I would have used the phrase 'he said' and highlighted it like the direct quote I did use for an example. Of course he didn't mention caravans but 'leisure use' is similar, as some people who have boats have said above.


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Most batteries are made in South Africa or Taiwan and shipped all over the world in containers, I am a retired Tanker Driver and I used to deliver Battery Acid S.G. 1.280 to companies who filled them and then sent them on to retailers, it is basically an own label operation changing the label from the same container from one retailer to another, I did this job for 30 years and saw the change from British manufacture to imported batteries.



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