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Subject Topic: Bailey Ranger 550/6 Hairline cracks
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09/10/2014 at 12:31pm
 Location: PRESTON
 Outfit: Bailey Ranger 550 6
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hi
just in the process of buying a Bailey Ranger 550/6 2007 off my brother.. Had the service engineer to do the thorough checks today... The Van is absolutely dry as a bone.. The only problem is there are 3 hairline cracks on the end fibre glass panels.. I rang the local body shop.. They're is no quick fix.. He did say if the cracks were serious .. There would have been signs of damp in the van by now.. I'm confused and don't know what to do...the van is being sold to me at family rates.. And is a great deal... The Caravan is absolutely mint.. The engineers words.. he has given me plenty of food for thought and been honest with me.. Would undercover storage help.. Or a winter cover?? Will the cracks get worse.. Can I seal the cracks... I really want the van.. But just thought I would put it out there before I make any decision..
Hope you guys can help..
Thanks in Advance
Stu

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09/10/2014 at 2:27pm
 Location: Lancashire
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Our first van was a 2007 ranger and much of what has been said above has covered the main points. They were produced as an entry level van so do lack equipment in some areas compared to others but overall we found it a good van and light to tow. The only other thing to watch out for on baileys of this year is cracking to to the rear (and sometimes front) panels. This typically happens on the side of the rear panel up the top where it joins the roof and side panel. They can be hard to spot as will initially be hairline in nature but take a step ladder and have a good look (or get an independant caravan engineer to do a check for you). We had this happen on our ranger and the only real option is to replace the whole rear panel which isn't cheap....some dealers will offer a repair but Bailey would have replaced the whole panel if this happened within the first 6yrs under warranty. I have spoken to different engineers about this problem and some say it was a fault in how the manufacturers fixed the panels originally and others say it was a problem with the actual panel. It isn't something that is common but there are a fair few reported cases with bailey vans around 2006-2008 having sufferred.

 

stu i cant believe you ingored the advice given above only 4 weeks ago, it's a comon fault with bailys of that vintage.

 

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09/10/2014 at 2:45pm
 Location: PRESTON
 Outfit: Bailey Ranger 550 6
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Bessie..
I haven't purchased the van yet..I had the checks done on everybody's advice.. I have just been to look at the van.. and the cracks.. are absolutely minute...there is no damp in the van whatsoever..
I was just asking if the majority would either Purchase the van or leave it..

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09/10/2014 at 4:07pm
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Have heard people sealing these hairline cracks, with captains tolly creeping crack cure. I guess you would have to use a makeshift flexible container (bluetack ?) moulded onto the van, and soak the crack with the cure. Or keep sqeezing it in, and wiping the excess off ! if the crack is hairline as you mention, the cure will probable run straight off. You could possibly use some sort of clear sealer or tape over the the crack and monitor the progress.Just an idea. I wouldn't let it put you off buying the van if it's a good price.Hope this helps a little.

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09/10/2014 at 4:13pm
 Location: Lancashire
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Then i'd get a quote to fix it because the will only spread, Sorry but the only option is to fix  if it cost a grand to fix see if you brother will go halfs, but get the front checked aswell as they are known for going aswell.

sorry i actually thought you'd already purchased the van.....should read the whole post next time

 

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09/10/2014 at 4:15pm
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If the van is dry i would defintley buy.And i am speaking as someone who as a damp van.Sounds like a good deal.
Tommy.


09/10/2014 at 6:24pm
 Location: PRESTON
 Outfit: Bailey Ranger 550 6
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THANKS for your replies Guys... The cracks are like eye lashes... the are tiny... you would need a magnifying glass to see them... The Van is well under Value... The Van is Damp free.. I'm wondering if I could Seal the cracks or treat them... I have got a body specialist coming to have a look tomorrow.. so I should know more then... Bessie.. you could be right.. a fix maybe required.. But I am going yo keep all my options open.. If I did decide to purchase.. I was thinking either A Cover... Or under cover storage.. if there is any available close by... Would this make a difference.
The good thing about it is.. My brother isn't in any rush... We love the van after having an Island bed previously... The Bailey is set at a very reasonable price.. Family rates..
Would love to hear some more of your views.
Thanks again
Stu

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09/10/2014 at 7:00pm
 Location: Newtownards
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My 07 Ranger had a hole in top corner of the rear panel, I took it to the dealer I got it from and they gave me a date for to have it replaced (under warrenty then) without any quibbles, so they must have knowen there was a problem. Unfortunatley the date was in the middle of a trip to France with the van. So he put a blob of silacone over the hole and it was a good few months later when I got it fixed. Even then the van never had damp and the patch never worried me. Being our first van, it will always be the best van we had.

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09/10/2014 at 7:56pm
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I used that creeping crack cure last week---great stuff


10/10/2014 at 2:37am
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Hi Zivadog
Is the Creeping crack easy to apply.. the cracks on The van are tiny..

Stu

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10/10/2014 at 5:07am
 Location: Sitingbourne
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these panels are not fibreglass they are ABS plastic .the hair line cracks are stress cracks caused by poor installation of the front / rear panel fixing screws, these were driven through the panel with out using clearance pilot holes so over the years due to flexing of the panels during towing etcetera these stress cracks appear from under the awning rails & the rail across the roof. My pageant suffered from these cracks & I had them repaired several times. Baileys solution was to replace the panels under warranty, but to have this done privately costs £800 to £1000 there have been several posts on DIY repairs though if you care to research the different caravanning web sites
this involves removing the awning rails V ing out the crack & filling with a solution made up of a lego block melted in acetone.
these cracks can be minute !/4 inch in length or less,if the van is dry still you have been lucky see here for replacement panelshttp://www.caravanpanels.com/

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10/10/2014 at 5:25am
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Morning OK Chap
Thanks for the reply..

Just a quick question.. the Van is as dry as a bone... With the amount of use the van will get.. maybe 4 times a year.. Do you think I could "touch" the cracks up... with products to stop water seeping in.. I've spoke to an experienced Caravaner at work tonight.. he says its a possibility... Or is the damage already done... In your experience.. do the cracks expand.. Would indoor storage/ a cover help..
Hope you don't mind me asking..
Thanks in advance
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10/10/2014 at 11:42am
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I have tried the captain tollie's cure with no success
the problem is exasperated by towing in the typical British weather which cases the water to be forced into the cracks.
one way is to drill a small hole at the end of the crack to stop it spreading, V out the crack & fill with the mentioned acetone/lego brick mixture or try using a good quality CARAVAN sealant such as Sikaflex in the V out crack as a tempory repair
Ideally all the fixing screws should be removed & clearance sized holes made in the ABS panel & the stress cracked fixings repaired .incidentally this problem was not confined to Bailey products . many other makes of the same era suffered the same problem as they also purchased their panels from the same manufacturer
It was also said that the sealant used on the vans was causing the ABS to become brittle again exasperating the problem
If you Google ABS repairs there are several companies offering a abs filler

on my van the dampness did not become apparent inside for more than a year after the cracks first appeared on the curve of the roof at the junction of the cross roof bar & the awning rail.it then appeared in the top cupboards on the front right side. I did use a cover but this did not stop the problem


10/10/2014 at 12:44pm
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Was going to suggest the above drilling of the crack


10/10/2014 at 10:50pm
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I would suggest if you have these cracks now its possible they could get worse or even more appear. Old chap is right it was the way in whch the panels were fitted from new. We had front and back replaced under warraty due to cracking and both awning rails replaced. I wouldnt buy it unless I felt I had got it st such a good price I could afford to put it right should the worst happen.


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10/10/2014 at 11:10pm
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Thanks once again everybody... I took the Van to a body shop engineer today... He was very thorough in his checks... He stated today.. that at the moment the Cracks arnt nothing to worry about.. The Van is bone dry.. that's the second Check in two days... He advised me to keep my eyes on them.. And if they develop or more appear he will sort it out for me...
My brother has said that if anything needs doing he wiil pay 50%.. i cant grumble at that... and with the price Im getting the Van at..i feel much more comfortable with the situation than I did two days ago...
The Engineer has been in the game for 30 years.. he tells me that the problem is the fittings/ screws haven't been countersunk.. and torqued up to much... Seen it on lots of Vans not just Bailey.. shoddy Workmanship... He also told me that if there was any major problems.. The damp would've have shown up by now...
I am happy to go with his Judgement..
All your sound advice has been fantastic...
Made things easier for me... Some if you guys may not agree with my decision.. but I'm happy with the engineers judgement today..
Thanks
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