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26/1/2020 at 5:45pm
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I have a 2018 Hyundai i800, 2.5 td manual

I am starting to look at starter caravans, ideally a cheaply one first to see if we like it

I ideally would like a fixed bed as I know if it’s a faff, we won’t bother
We have a young kid

Is something like a Swift charisma 550, 2004 model suitable?

I passed my test in 2000, so just a regular peasants licence. I’m confident at towing, but do I need to do an additional test to tow with the above combo?

Sorry for the newby questions, always hard to start, but the more you learn, the easier it gets!

Many thanks


26/1/2020 at 6:45pm
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26/1/2020 at 7:02pm
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If you only have a cat B licence you can have a car and caravan with total combined max plated weights less than 3500kg.

Have a look at the weight plate on the car, it's probably just inside the door, this will give you the max weight of the car (probably around 3000kg for your car) and the max gross train weight for your car(probably about 5000kg). Add the 3000kg to the MTPLM of that caravan 1385 and you will see that you can not tow it at all. If you subtract 3000 from the 3500 limit you will see that you have insufficient allowance to tow any caravan.

You will need to do the extra test and get cat E on your licence to allow you to tow anything heavier than 3500kg gross train weight. Have a look at the link Bob has given or have a look at the DVLA website for more information.

Rob


26/1/2020 at 7:09pm
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First thing to do is determine what your car can legally tow, and that information should be in your handbook.

Fixed beds are nice I'm sure, but they do take up a lot of space.

Don't rule out older vans if you are new to it, as you might find out it's not for you. The more recent the van, the more it will be affected by depreciation. We paid £500 for our last one, kept and used it for 4 years, then sold it for £550. Our current one cost us £1,100, and we could probably sell it for the same or even slightly more. So basically, the newer and more expensive, the more you lose when you come to sell. We started caravanning in the 1970s, so we are not new to it, but we did have a big gap with no caravan until 2013.

Try to keep well within you car's weight limits, as this will make things easier and safer for you. I can't answer your question about licences, as I don't know the weight of you car or the caravan you mention, but if the combined weight exceeds 3,500kg you will need to take another test.



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27/1/2020 at 6:01pm
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You need to start with what your car is capable of towing, and what your driving licence allows you to tow. Rob has touched on this but there is a lot of advice out there that ranges from confusing to just plain wrong.

Firstly, be aware that there are no towing laws that specifically relate to "caravans". They come under "trailers". A Category B "peasant's" licence allows you to tow any type of trailer provided that the maximum permissible weights - note: NOT the actual weights - of car and trailer combined do not exceed 3500kg.

If the Hyundai 1800 is the big people carrier that I think it is, that almost certainly has a high maximum permissible weight (at a guess, approaching 2500kg) simply to allow it to carry that many people and their stuff. This will therefore be restrictive in your choice of caravan and you may struggle to find a fixed bed model that's light enough. The (expensive) solution is to take the 'Category B+E' extended test that increases your licence entitlements to a maximum permissible combined weight of 7000kg, which is more than most caravanners will ever need.

The next thing to consider is the manufacturer's towing limit of your vehicle, which should be on the V5. This is the maximum that you can legally tow, and is based largely on the weight of a trailer that the car can physically move from a standstill on repeated hill starts and have nothing to do with what it will actually handle comfortably on roads or motorways.

The caravanning industry recognises this, and also that caravans, being both long and high-sided are inherently less stable than most other types of trailer. They therefore recommend that the actual towed weight of the caravan - not necessarily the maximum permitted weight although this will probably be close in reality - are kept to less than the kerb weight of the car, even if the towing limit is higher. (If you can't find a figure for kerb weight, mass in service is close enough.) A common recommendation for novice caravanners is an 85% ratio, which is sensible in priciple but extremely crude. It's certainly not the case that 84% equates to guaranteed stability, whilst a ratio of 86%, or even 90%+ doesn't mean that problems are inevitable.

Finally, without wishing to pour cold water on your current thinking, Rose and I - both of who, admittedly, are not exactly small - have so far failed to find a fixed bed that is anything like big enough for us. Most, if not all are notably smaller than a standard domestic double. However, to convert a big front lounge area to a king size bed is the work of less than 10 minutes. We added a £100 mattress topper and I often sleep better on that than I do at home.

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27/1/2020 at 7:06pm
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Just following up on what I wrote yesterday Tina has checked the figures for the i800 as we have thought about buying one soon. The gross vehicle weight of a manual version is 3070kg so with a cat B licence it would only be possible to tow a caravan with a max plated weight of 430kg! Obviously one would need to take the extra test to allow them to tow any caravan..


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27/1/2020 at 8:23pm
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Hi all, many thanks for the kind and thoughtful replies

I think I will just take the b+e as it’s not that expensive, can be done in a day and I might learn something useful! The bonus in doing so is that I can then probably pick up any caravan I come across, without having to worry about getting close to limits, taking less etc

Rob Tina, if you are close to Hampshire your welcome to come have a poke at mine!


27/1/2020 at 8:46pm
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Yes I think B+E will make life a lot easier and safer for you and will be money well spent.

Thanks for the offer of looking at your car, we need floor space rather than seats and nobody seems to be able to tell us if the third row of seats can be removed easily to create a long flat floor area.

Rob


27/1/2020 at 9:00pm
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You say you want a fixed bed and have a young child.
Presumably you will sleep in the fixed bed and the child in the front bed/seat.

That may cause a problem if you want to go to bed after the child has gone to bed. You will have nowhere to sit.


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15 minutes work with a ratchet and my third row was out. Excellent 5 seater now, everything chucked in the back, no dramas

Rear seats are very heavy, me and my dad managed it just fine though :)


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27/1/2020 at 9:54pm
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Thanks for that information, trouble is I'd have to do it on my own and I don't really have anywhere to store the seat. Does the middle row fold flat?

Rob


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Nope, reclines a little, but nowhere near flat


28/1/2020 at 9:40am
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Thanks for that information, I think I need to take my tape measure with me when I go to look at one properly. It's a shame that Hyundai themselves don't seem to know the answer to basic questions like this, one local dealer doesn't seem to know the difference between an automatic and a manual gearbox!

Thanks again for your help and good luck with the towing test.

Rob


28/1/2020 at 6:57pm
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We had a Charisma 550 2009 model. Quite heavy van which we towed with a Volvo. Side fixed bed which was a pain to make up. Front seats with pull out slats to make another double. Good end bathroom.
Prefer the layout of our current caravan which has transverse island bed.


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Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 28/1/2020
Thanks for that information, I think I need to take my tape measure with me when I go to look at one properly. It's a shame that Hyundai themselves don't seem to know the answer to basic questions like this, one local dealer doesn't seem to know the difference between an automatic and a manual gearbox!

Thanks again for your help and good luck with the towing test.

Rob




Mine came from Richmond Hyundai, they are nothing short of crooks

Sold me a Hyundai promise vehicle, turns out it hadn’t been serviced on schedule, which they knew but used every trick under the sun to delay me finding out. I’ve purchased hundreds of second hand cars and this expericance of buying nearly new from a dealer was horrific

So in short avoid Richmond Hyundai as they are crooks! You can ask the same question twice, if you are lucky enough to get a response you will get a different one each time


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