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Hi there,
We’ve never owned a caravan before and now are looking into an Ace award Morningstar, 2004, lovely caravan in a very good condition.
My question is- do we need any additional categories on our driving licence, like BE to tow it? Our car is a Santa Fe Hyundai and I saw the caravan is a little under 1200kg.
Also any tips for newbies at what to look when buying a caravan would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance. 😊


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depends on the actual weight of your car, and the fully loaded weight of the caravan, not the 1200kg empty weight you have given, but you are getting very very close to the 3500kg max for apost 1997 licence


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If buying and you are not a professional engineer, then use one

https://www.approvedworkshops.co.uk/find-approved-workshop

It may cost upwards of £200 but paying to have damp removed or sagging floors repaired can be even worse


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Hi, I think you will find the caravan weighs 1437kg mtplm which is the gross weight and the Miro is 1219kg which is the unladen weight, we would need more information on the santa Fe to get the correct figures you will need a B+E licence to tow that outfit if you passed your driving test after 1997.
The santa Fe is quite a heavy car so you will be quite restricted on what you can tow if you don't have B+E.

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Quote: Originally posted by Mariela on 07/7/2020
... Our car is a Santa Fe Hyundai ...


As suggested above, more info required for the SanteFe, fundamentally the gross weight, also refereed to as MAM, which is shown as the first (top) weight stamped on the VIN plate. If you can provide this weight and double check the MTPLM of the van, we'll be in a better position to advise.

Its ideal to work off actual plated weights from the vehicle/van as opposed to relying on Google, as some online weight information can be incorrect.


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Thank you!
Mtplm possible of the Morningstar is 1550kg and the gross revenue weight of the SantaFe is 2017kg.
So I guess that takes us to a B+E category then?
My husband has got a C category but not B+E which I find weird, so he’s good to drive a lorry but not a caravan. I suppose that’s because of the articulation?


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ok sorry but he needs to take the towing test your over the 3500kg by 67kgs


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If those are the actual weights from the weight plates on both the caravan and the car (as these are the ones you need to go by not figures from brochures or a Google search) then you need to do a B+E and if your figures are correct then it wouldn't be a suitable outfit match anyway because the caravan mtplm ( gross weight ) would need to be less than the kerb weight of the car, the recommended weights are caravan mtplm should be about 85% of the kerb weight of the car usually for towing beginners, we have been towing for years and with the right car would be happy to tow at about 95%.

Tina


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Which one here is the plate weight?

Car is 2017 as per the green slip V5C/2


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The weight plate is on the caravan itself probably on the outside by the bottom of the door and the mtplm weight should be 1440 as suggested by your brochure/handbook (so I was pretty close with my original figure of 1437).It may have been upgraded to 1550. Like I said you need to look at the plate on the caravan because that is what the police will look at. You also need to look at the weight plate on the car probably just inside one of the front doors and there will be 4 weights listed, the top weight should be gvw (gross vehicle weight) if you can come back with the actual mtplm from the caravan and the gvw from the car I can give you a definitive answer.

Tina


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I'm sure your husband would have no problem passing the BE. Not a great deal involved tbh.


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Not that i'm condoning anything, but i wonder how many people even think to look at towing weights post '97? While it may be an age thing, i have never even heard anyone i know even discuss the subject.


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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 08/7/2020
Not that i'm condoning anything, but i wonder how many people even think to look at towing weights post '97? While it may be an age thing, i have never even heard anyone i know even discuss the subject.

I think its more to do with his hgv licence and being his professional licence at risk, these things become second nature to a professional driver to double check


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I’d say almost certainly a B+E required

Post last edited on 08/07/2020 16:38:01


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I've looked up the weights of 2017 Santa Fe models and they all seem to have a gross weight of 2600 so this would give a gross train weight of 4040kg so you would need a B+E.

The good news is that the kerbweights are all over 1800kg so this outfit would be a good match if you had the correct licence.


Rob


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Quote: Originally posted by Rob and Tina on 07/7/2020
The weight plate is on the caravan itself probably on the outside by the bottom of the door and the mtplm weight should be 1440 as suggested by your brochure/handbook (so I was pretty close with my original figure of 1437).It may have been upgraded to 1550. Like I said you need to look at the plate on the caravan because that is what the police will look at. You also need to look at the weight plate on the car probably just inside one of the front doors and there will be 4 weights listed, the top weight should be gvw (gross vehicle weight) if you can come back with the actual mtplm from the caravan and the gvw from the car I can give you a definitive answer.

Tina




The plate on the caravan is not a statutory plate so police cannot convict using the plate however if you exceed the load rating of the tyre you can be convicted. On modern caravans since Oct 2012 the chassis has a weight plate and the figures on it can be different to the plate on the body of the caravan. However as said it is always wise to stay within the guidelines of the manufacturer to avoid any issues.



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