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04/2/2022 at 11:27pm
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Dear All

I'm resurrecting an account I set up some time ago so would like to introduce myself to the forum.

My name is Chris, I am a 37 year old and single IT worker.    In times past I was very much into camping.   I was very much a "kitchen sink" camper and used to go camping with a car stuffed to the gunnels with tents, associated equipment including roof box!   Things were very different back then.   I used to go on holiday with groups of friends and would have some help getting everything unpacked and set up.    Lets just say that in recent years, I have gone off camping.   All my friends are married off with kids and I have taken to trips on my own (with parent's dog who I steal).    The last time I attempted tent camping, I really didn't enjoy it.   I had an eight hour journey from Oxford to Devon, then spent about two hours setting up all my kit only to discover half of it wasn't working properly.   As I laid there on an uncomfortable air "bed" struggling to sleep, I thought "this isn't a holiday". The next morning I woke up freezing cold, switched my fan heater on, half hour later was sweltering as the rising sun hit my tent.    When I finally got up around 8am, I decided I didn't want to spend another night in the tent and frantically got on my phone and started searching and ringing round and eventually found a static caravan which was available and so swiftly abandoned camp!    I haven't been camping since, and reluctantly, I am going to sell my tent this year.

I've had many enjoyable static caravan holidays in recent years and have no intention of going back to camping.    However I am soon likely to be in the position to purchase a touring caravan.   Nothing new or flash, probably up to about 10k tops, ideally bit less.    I plan to take full advantage of the new rules for drivers of my age.   I have no driveway where I live and am looking to store a caravan on a site, perhaps in the Cotswolds.   I like the idea of of having somewhere relatively close by where I can retreat to at weekends, or collect it and go further afield.    I drive a 2012 Nissan X-Trail and from the VIN plate on my car, I have established that I can tow a MAM of 1350KG.   I intend to take a towing course. I am looking for any caravan at this or below which has a fixed bed.   I'm not fussy about make and model, as long as it's in nice nick and weatherproof.      One thing I dislike about a lot of the caravans I've seen is the seating layout.    Ideally, I'd like something with an L shaped layout like you get in statics.   I hate having to turn my head to look at a TV.   

Does anyone have any suggestions of makes and models I could look at in this price range which fit the above requirements?    Also, is it possible to get a caravan inspected by someone from the Caravan Club or C&CC much like you might have a car RAC inspected?   I'm rather new to all this and don't want to end up buying a lemon.

Many thanks.

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Presume you are looking for a 2 berth, but to get a fixed bed you would need a 4 berth. Suggest you look around dealers as with them you should get a warranty whereas if you buy privately you have no such comeback as you are buying as seen. There is only one way of getting an inspection and that would be paying a mobile caravan mechanic to do it, but you still only have his word nothing legally binding.

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05/2/2022 at 9:15am
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I am fairly sure that there is a large caravan storage are in the Cotswolds, but depends where you live in the Cotswolds.
Have a look on Caravan Finder


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Have a look at a nearby thread about the price of caravans. At the moment, your budget may not get you as new a caravan as you hope for.
Good luck, it’s going to be an exciting year for you. (Can’t advise on a caravan as we have a MH.)

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05/2/2022 at 11:39am
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05/2/2022 at 11:56am
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It may also be a good idea to pay the extra and get your first caravan from a dealer as you are then covered by CRA 2015 if anything goes wrong in the first 6 months from delivery. For additional protection pay deposit using a credit card and also have a small amount on finance. It is worth paying the extra in interest charges as it is like having GAP insurance cheaply.


05/2/2022 at 12:51pm
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Hi Chris. I also tow with a Nissan X Trail (2008) and they are great tow cars. Mine is a diesel automatic, and with that towing limit I guess yours is too as it's exactly the same.

My caravan is an oldie (1992) but it is a 4 berth and so very light at just under 1,000kg. I barely know it's on the back. It hasn't got a fixed bed but my wife and I use the long front seats a single beds which take only seconds to set up. We only paid £1,100 for it 4 years ago and plan on using it again this year if finances will allow, bearing in mind the massive cost of living rises coming in this year. As we are retired we are on a fixed income.


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05/2/2022 at 1:57pm
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Good advice given above, but a few more points.

Max MAM, more commonly known as MTPLM (Maximum Technically Permissible Laden Mass) on caravans, of only 1350Kg limits your choice quite considerably on newer (and generally heavier) vans. As a novice tower, the 85% 'rule' (it's NOT an enforceable RULE, only guidance, but good advice for a novice) suggest you should be looking at a van of not much more than 1150Kg MTPLM. You can largely ignore the MIRO (Mass in Running Order) weights published for any vans, firstly because no one uses it as the defining weight of what you can or cannot tow with any particular vehicle, and more often than not it seems to be inaccurate on brand new vans and likely to be way out on any older vans that have been modified/repaired in any way.

1150Kg is not a lot for a modern caravan of any size, and I doubt any 4 berth let alone a fixed bed one hits that figure, mine is considered a lightweight 4 berth (no fixed bed) and that's 1310Kg MTPLM! L shaped lounges are also a minority layout, but do exist, as to your relationship to the TV, that depends on the layout of the van and where the TV is placed. Circa £10k is looking a bit 'budget' at today's rapidly increasing new prices nudging towards £30k for quite modest vans, that high new price has a knock on effect of dragging s/h prices up too, my 2016 van is now worth around £1-£1.5k MORE than I paid for it 4 years ago, many others will tell you the same! You certainly can find vans to your budget, but maybe a bit older than you perhaps imagined.

Inspections are a worthwhile investment, there really are so many vans, I'd almost err on saying the majority, that have some issue that the novice could easily overlook, when I was looking at nearly new vans so few had ANY regular proper service/inspections done despite that being a requirement to keep the original manufacturers warranty in effect, as they get older maintenance/inspections tend be even less! Anything with damp, just walk away from, you never know how bad it is until partially stripped and the structure is exposed, and by that point you've already got a big bill, it only gets worse! Appliances like cookers, heaters and fridges are horribly expensive to repair and eye watering to replace, you really don't want to be the one picking up the bill, it'll be many times higher than for an equivalent product in your home! Then of course there is the safety aspect of gas and electrical items, as well as chassis, things like flexible gas hoses and tyres need routinely replacing every 5 years regardless of appearance, it's hidden material degradation that you are dealing with. If buying privately an inspection is essential, as there is no comeback on the vendor once the deal is done, it's 'Buyer Beware' and that's it. With a dealer, at least you have some protection in law and hopefully some additional warranty, but dealers can be totally unscrupulous and will let you find the faults hoping that you don't until their liability has passed! You really need to know all the problems before you buy.

Caravan Club (CAMC - Caravan and Motorhome Club) do inspections, as do many approved caravan engineers, more info here: https://www.caravanclub.co.uk/membership/member-offers/caravan-and-motorhome-inspectors/

As already suggested, Caravan Finder https://www.caravanfinder.co.uk/caravan_search_results.html , is really good place to research your options, use the filters to fine tune what you want/need.

As to storage, there is a general shortage it seems, some areas are far worse than others, really worth sorting before buying van as you may find you have nowhere to keep once you have it. And you need to budget for the cost which can be steep, many hundreds of pounds! Both Clubs have storage yards on many of their sites, there are numerous private yards around including those under the CASSOA secure storage scheme https://www.cassoa.co.uk/ . You may find your caravan insurer gives a worthwhile discount if you use a rated secure storage yard, and/or imposes restrictions if less secure.

It's really worth taking the time to do your research on what you want or don't want, what's out there and how much you need to compromise on you ideal, and how the market lies with regard to budgets. It's quite hard work really, but the rewards are worth it when you get the right van and you can fully enjoy it in a relaxed way.


05/2/2022 at 3:15pm
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Lots of good advice from Monty there.

I would say don't dismiss older caravans. They are often lighter but better built it would seem. Reading through all the stuff on here I find that many owners of 5-10 year old vans are having just as many problems as those of us with much older vans, and sometimes more. My caravan is 30 years old and is perfectly usable. It's not perfect, but then neither are most 5 year old vans. Another thing you don't have to worry about with older caravans is depreciation. In the present climate I could probably sell ours for twice what I paid for it, after 4 years use! I made a small profit on the one we had before. I bought my current one from a dealer as a "trade sale", which means it came without any kind of warranty, but as it was from a dealer it was still covered by legislation not applicable to private sales.

We don't take a TV on holiday with us as we have enough of that at home. We are out most of the time when we are on holiday, and if the weather is foul we tend to read books, play cards, or enjoy board games.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 05/2/2022
Hi Chris. I also tow with a Nissan X Trail (2008) and they are great tow cars. Mine is a diesel automatic, and with that towing limit I guess yours is too as it's exactly the same.

My caravan is an oldie (1992) but it is a 4 berth and so very light at just under 1,000kg. I barely know it's on the back. It hasn't got a fixed bed but my wife and I use the long front seats a single beds which take only seconds to set up. We only paid £1,100 for it 4 years ago and plan on using it again this year if finances will allow, bearing in mind the massive cost of living rises coming in this year. As we are retired we are on a fixed income.




Hi Colin,

I love my X-Trail, especially the auto gearbox, although I was shocked how much lower the maximum towing weight is than the manual.   I suspect that this lower limit is more about protecting the gearbox than safety.   In which case I don’t think I need to worry too much about the 85% guidance.   The manual version of this car (aside from the 173bhp version) has the same bhp and torque rating, yet has a towing capacity of 2000kg ?!!


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I will definitely be buying from a dealer.   Someone I chat to on CB radio has been a caravanner/ motor homer for a long time, I’ll see if he would come with me to look at them.   I’d like a 4 berth so that I can bring someone with me.    I have managed to find a few vans of 1350kg and under with fixed beds.    

Just for clarity, I sadly don’t live in the Cotswolds.   Looking to base a caravan there as a quick weekend hidey-hole and or to collect and go further afield.


05/2/2022 at 7:52pm
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Dont be too fixated on a fixed bed if you have to have a small van. A bed is a fixed size and will dominate a small van. The most compromised area will be the sitting space. You will end up with 2 short benches. 4 feet long and will feel claustrophobic.

A make up bed with sleeping bags is fine.

We have a Bailey Pursuit 400-2 which is your size. Has 2 single benches and the whole van feels really spacious even though it is only little.

I've had a fixed bed van 18 feet long and hated it.


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Don't dismiss 2 berth. If you have the parallel seating at the front it is very easy to make up to a double bed if that is what you need. Not quite so easy with an L shape, but you are unlikely to find a 2 berth L shaped lounge.


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Quote: Originally posted by navver on 05/2/2022
Dont be too fixated on a fixed bed if you have to have a small van. A bed is a fixed size and will dominate a small van. The most compromised area will be the sitting space. You will end up with 2 short benches. 4 feet long and will feel claustrophobic.

A make up bed with sleeping bags is fine.

We have a Bailey Pursuit 400-2 which is your size. Has 2 single benches and the whole van feels really spacious even though it is only little.

I've had a fixed bed van 18 feet long and hated it.



Yes that is a good point about small caravans with fixed beds. They do make the van feel really small and cramped. Compared to one of them my caravan seems really spacious. There's loads of room for the two of us. We have a choice of making up a huge double bed or having two singles. We usually opt for two singles as it's quicker and easier, and either of us can get up in the night if we need to and not have to climb over the other one.



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Quote: Originally posted by backtocamping on 05/2/2022

Hi Colin,

I love my X-Trail, especially the auto gearbox, although I was shocked how much lower the maximum towing weight is than the manual.   I suspect that this lower limit is more about protecting the gearbox than safety.   In which case I don’t think I need to worry too much about the 85% guidance.   The manual version of this car (aside from the 173bhp version) has the same bhp and torque rating, yet has a towing capacity of 2000kg ?!!



Yes it is about the gearbox. For some reason Nissan chose a gearbox that can't take a huge amount of torque, so they set a very low weight limit. The engine and the rest of the transmission could take an awful lot more. My car feels like it could easily tow twice that limit, but obviously I'm not going to try it. With just under a ton on the back I have to keep checking my mirrors to make sure the caravan is still there. Both performance and fuel consumption are very little different to when driving without the caravan.

Yes they are great cars, and I love that gearbox too despite the low limit.




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05/2/2022 at 9:35pm
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I'm keen on a fixed bed because I'm quite a fussy sleeper. I presume with a conversion bed, I'm stuck with the caravan cushions as a mattress where as with a fixed bed I can get a replacement mattress made up.    Also, I don't like the idea of having to make my bed up after a few beers of an evening.    



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