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hi i use this one and but for the weight its very good,easy to fit.

QD Caravan Clamp (14" Wheels)

BL44
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Here is what they call the Bic Trick. http://thirdrate.com/kryptonite_files/2.mov

http://thirdrate.com/kryptonite/  This is the same for all barrel locks. It seems they can be opened very easily. Oxford products recalled almost 1/4 of a million Pounds worth of locks because initially they claimed it was a false claim, Bike Magazine and MCN proved it was not only possible but well known among criminals.

I know many will just be happy to put on a gold standard clamp but a good criminal will know how to take it off regardless !!! I think I will stick to a more traditional key type lock !!!! 

Just to add kyptonite locks now do not use barrel lock mech's at all they were possibly the biggest seller of barrel locks world wide but since this has come out they have stopped all sales of tht type of lock !! As you can see in this link in 2000 they sold $27 Million and they had to change the design in, 2003-4 because of the problems they have now gone back to an internal tumbler design.

http://www.kryptonitelock.com/inetisscripts/abtinetis.exe/templateform at public?tn=about_history.tem 

I know many manufacturers would hate me for saying this and telling you the problems with barrel locks because they are so cheap to buy. BUT your van is worth more than a £3.00 lock which can be picked with a pen which you could even have laying about in your van!! How about that for adding insult to injury. Open your van find a pen then steal the whole thing !!!!  

I have not seen the Bic trick, thanks for that.  I am in the camp that views wheel clamps, hitchlocks etc as a deterent only.  I do not believe they will stop the theft but merely cause a little in convenience to the $%$%$ taking the caravan.

Go for gold standard and buy the best you can afford.  I agree about the Milenco, a real P.I.T A. to fit.  I used a dryslip spray and it has improved it.  Milenco have the new clap filled with concrete to stop attack from oxy torch.

I was not defending the lock on the Milenco.  Trust me they will get it off quicker with an oxy torch or other.  It matters not which clamp / lock you have.  If they want it they will have it.  Insurance companies insist on typically wheel and hitch lock. They tend to like the "tried and tested" ones that get the Sold Secure etc type approval.  There will always be some one who finds an easy way to beat a lock.  I seem to recall that early central locking systems where prone to a tennis ball.

As I said it is mearley a means of slowing them down.  I have heard of vans with multiple clamps and locks of varying kinds getting nicked.  Streuth they even like to put moats round storage compounds now to stop them nicking it through the fence and over the field.

Quote: Originally posted by Mark N on 12/6/2006

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  Insurance companies insist on typically wheel and hitch lock. They tend to like the "tried and tested" ones that get the Sold Secure etc type approval. 

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 I spotted this one in me Caravan Club mag and it's from Towsure and on special offer until the 30th June. Reduced from £99.99 down to £89.99

Dunno if that's the one your link was going to, coz it didn't work for me today, but I personally, think this orange one is very......pwitty! Probably good at deterring the scumbags too?

We're using some big red thing at the moment that we got on special offer at the caravan shop when we got our new van and our old bulldog wouldn't fit the alloy wheels. Can't remember if it's a Millenco one, but have a feeling it is, (and you're right about them being a PITA to fit, but hubby's getting the hang of it!)

I have used a Bulldog Hitchlock and Wheel Clamp on the previous van. Found them both easy to fit, bit they do use the round key.

Newer van came with a Millenco, which is more difficult to fit (and also uses the round key). I have sprayed the sliding parts of the Millenco with silicon spray and it has made this a lot easier to fit. Not sure if I will persevere with this or look at changing it.

We also have an Alko Hitchlock which fits around the Alko head and is very easy to use (conventional key), and a set of Rear stabiliser locks which were fitted as part of a Gold package from Thiefbeaters (http://www.thiefbeaters.co.uk/leisure/leis_home.html). This lot got us a discount from Bakers of Cheltenham on our insurance.

Morning all,

I read this yesterday with interest. As always, and hopefully you guys know, I always avoid plugging/criticising companies on UKCS (we stock lots of brands so hopefully I can be considered kind of impartial), but I was fascinated by this thread and wanted to get feedback from the people themselves - hence a very long conversation with Milenco's technical manager this morning.

Basically, the bic trick first came to light in 1993 in relation to motorbike locks and they have been fully aware of it since it caused a storm 13 years ago. They are of the opinion that some very cheap barrel locks can be picked in this way (although the key to doing it isn't shown on the video above) but that their's are totally inpregnable to this form of attack. Something to do with the quality of the lock, the number of pins and the diameter of the lock.

Milenco have offered £500 to anyone who can pick one of their locks in this way - of course, this would need to be backed up with video evidence. Perhaps most importantly, they have said they cannot be held liable for any damage caused to clamps by people taking up the challenge (in the majority of cases, the bic breaks in the lock).

Good luck if you want to go for it, but be careful!!!!

Have a good weekend if I don't pop on later,

JT

Hi Milenco.......

It seems I have had a reaction with a few people but all I want is for customers to have the best items for the job... Not just some big intimidating lump which a 5 year old could open. Now you say there is a £500 offer to anyone who can open your lock.. I think you have confidence in your product and I would feel safer if that were the case with all manufacturers. I know many companies use cheaper components and this is where the problem comes from. I still refuse to use this type of lock on my bike but only because no one stands by their products and are willing to put a hand into their own pockets to show they have the guts to open themselves up to testing!! Great stuff I hope it makes other manufacturers think about what they use and offer their products to be tested by " criminal " testers!  

Your email which you sent shows you feel as strongly about your products as I feel about mine...GOOD. I hope you do get one tested and shown to be very secure. If you do I will say here and now I will buy your products and feel happy you have done your home work.

As I said in my email reply to you " Some companies charge a lot of money and if your product is safe then good. I would not expect less than your response." I know you know of my products and what we do so you will know we do not sell budget items and even though some feel we do sell expensive products the benefits are open to scrutiny. I would never put my name to a poor sub standard product. You seem to be the same! BUT many are only bothered about profit and will cut corners just to take sales from people like us. In the end I can sleep well at night and if we sold cheap nasty products I would not feel I am doing my job!

Sorry to have made you feel like you are under the microscope.. you are just part of the industry. If others can do what you do I would feel better spending my money. I hope you understand where I am coming from and as I said if you have full confidence in your product I would spend money with you.