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saxo1

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Quote: Originally posted by saxo1 on 27/9/2018
So far nobody on this forum has explained what adverse effect the ban on the sale of ICE powered vehicles is having on them at this point in time.

Really? Then perhaps you should read the thread in more detail!
How about cost, lack of recharging points, lack of infrastructure, lack of range, etc.

Quote: There has been a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth about what might happen but it is all guesswork and is not impacting on them at all

Only in response to your continuous wailing about how perfect they are, and your total failure to understand that people live in a different environment to you, or listen to their comments.

Quote: Can anyone explain what difference it makes if a vehicle is powered by an electric motor rather than an ICE?
Feel free to enlighten me!

God, how many more times do you need to be told!!
Lack of range.
Lack of towing capacity.
Lack of infrastructure.
Lack of generating capablity.

And as to your earlier question, the people I do know who have bought them are complaining about all these things.

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Colin21

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Strange, but although the price of new or nearly new diesels may be falling, the price of older ones seems to be rising! There were loads of affordable ones around not long ago, but I had a hell of a job finding one within my budget recently.

Saxo, I could do all my normal local driving with an EV no problem. I could even charge it up at home without any difficulty. However, many people wouldn't be able to as they live in flats or on streets with very limited parking. Some years ago when I lived in North London, often I couldn't park within 100 yards of my home, especially when I came home off early shift as there would be commuters parked there for the local station.

The main difference for me therefore is the "re-fuelling" time. An ICE car takes minutes and can be done on the way home. Even a fast charge for an EV can't get anywhere near that yet. Maybe in time, who knows.

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God how many times do I have to say it?

Lack of range.

Only on current models you can't know what the next 20 years will bring.Hybrids haven't been banned and will have similar ranges or better than current ICE powered models.
Lack of towing capacity. As above.
Lack of infrastructure. " "
Lack of generating capablity.
As above but there are a great many steps being taken to resolve any future problems.
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And as to your earlier question, the people I do know who have bought them are complaining about all these things.

they are complaining about the situation as it is today you can't stop progress.
You appear to be unable to accept that improvements will come and base your whole argument on current models.
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The recharging problem is the only one I would accept at this point in time but there are a great many possible solutions being investigated at the moment.
The price of used diesels,according to Autotrader rose by 7% in the year ending April 2018 whereas the sale of new diesels dropped by 37% over the same period which may be the reason why.
All the comments about range etc don't answer the question "what difference does it make if the car is electrically powered?"
Provided the problems are addressed over the next 20 years then there is very little difference other than an electric motor is more efficient than an ICE and requires less maintenance.
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Like many others I'm sure, because of my age and financial circumstances the only EV I may ever have is a mobility scooter. Even then I have my doubts because from what I have seen a decent one would cost as much as I recently paid for my "new" diesel car!

We don't know what the next 20 years will bring it's true, but then if I'm still around in 20 years time I doubt whether I will still be driving.

There is no doubt in my mind that an electric motor is smaller and more efficient than an ICE, and requires less maintenance. It works well in a trolley bus (which we scrapped), in a tram, and in a train, but they don't have to carry their power supply around with them. There lies the biggest problem. I don't know how long batteries will last before they lose their ability to hold a charge, and despite all the fanciful claims, I doubt whether anyone else really does. All I know is that the batteries used in power tools, which are mainly lithium batteries these days, don't last very long at all, even though the tools do. I am inclined to think that the same will apply to cars, but I accept that I may be wrong. Only time will tell.

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Nissan warranty batteries for 8 years or 100000 miles to maintain a capacity of at least 80% at the end of that period so realistically they must be expecting 10 years.
I personally think that we get to the stage when all ICE powered vehicles are banned the Hybrid will be the preferred option for a lot of people.
The new Range Rover Evoque, due out possibly next year, will have a 3 cylinder petrol engine and limited battery performance
Some manufacturers are developing EVs with a small petrol driven generator to top up the batteries.
There are lots of alternatives to the purely EV vehicle to satify anyones needs in the future.
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80% of the as new capacity is the official worn out point for batteries.. plus if you take a look at a batteries warranty its against defective materials or workmanship which has nothing to do with how long a battery will last..

as for the future that is still an unknown.. we can all guess but that is about all.. i am too old for it to matter that much to me.. he he

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The Nissan warranty isn't just for defective batteries it is a guarantee against capacity loss.

**The Nissan LEAF & eNV200 lithium-ion battery state of health guarantee protects against battery capacity loss (less than 9 bars out of 12) as shown on the in vehicle capacity gauge for a period of 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 40 kWh vehicles and 8 years / 100,000 miles* for 30 kWh vehicles and 5 years / 60,000 miles* for 24kWh vehicles. For LEAF flex customers, the battery state of health guarantee applies for the duration of the battery lease.
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Quote: Originally posted by Paul + June on 27/9/2018
You are telling us to go out and spend about 80000 quid.
You must live in a dream world

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Quote: Originally posted by Francais on 27/9/2018
Diesel vehicles have already started to depreciate like a lead balloon, my neighbour has just bought a 16 plate TDi VW Golf, and he got it for next to nowt,

Blimey, I am looking for the very same vehicle for my daughter and I cannot find a 16 plate for less than 10k on Auto-trader, most are around 12K

Can you find out where he got it and let me know please.

Unless, of course, to you 12 grand is “next to nowt” In which case.......Well done you.

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