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12/7/2013 at 4:21pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 12/7/2013
The Caravan Club states the following;


http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/news-and-events/news/club-news/2013/jul/latest-news-on-mots-for-caravans/



Even the Caravan Club is against it - it's flawed!


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12/7/2013 at 5:47pm
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greendemon we already have driver testing but it does not stop speeding, overloading of cars/vans etc all it means is you have passed a test which makes it legal to drive and as regards the price of caravanning I for one think it is already dear enough without bringing more legislation out to make it more expensive as already stated in my earlier posts I do not think it would make it either safer or more dangerous because al they can check is the body, chassis and sub frames etc and if you read some of the posts in this section that quite a lot of people drive with the rooflights open and other things not secured which could cause an accident so the mot would not help then, too many rules and regulations for the motorist already


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12/7/2013 at 7:04pm
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Well said kpnuts.

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12/7/2013 at 7:12pm
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Annual tests are required to ensure vehicles are fit for purpose and still conform to the various requirements that they needed when they are first built. The test itself is only a minimum standard, it is the drivers responsibility to ensure the roadworthiness of the vehicle being driven (this includes trailers of any shape or form) and so it is advisable to carry out checks on vehicle and trailers before use (tyres, lights, brakes,etc) and also have someone who is competent enough (the person servicing your caravan might not be!) to check for any defects and understands the seriousness of the defects; to inspect the vehicle/trailer. Larger trailers (3500kg MAM and above) are already subject to annual test requirements so it does make sense that all vehicles and trailers that are used on our roads are subject to these annual test requirement. Yes there are good and bad in all things, and if it takes annual tests and VOSA spot checks to ensure our roads remain some of the safest in the world; then I'm all for it. This is all about road safety; first and foremost and I am surprised that certain caravan clubs are against it.


12/7/2013 at 10:01pm
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Once again the argument against these things boils down to cost. I despair.
And yes, I do remember the introduction of MOTs and seatbelts.

Jim


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12/7/2013 at 10:23pm
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The CC and C&CC need to get real on this. Instead of whingeing and protesting they need to get together and come up with a workable "self regulation" type solution. There have been some good ideas on here regarding service stickers or certificates which need to be presented at a campsite.
I'm sure this government will be all ears to any ideas which avoid imposing european rules on us. If it spins out and there is a change of government at the general election then we will be signed up to anything the non elected eurocrats dream up, just like last time with Blair and Brown
Remember its better to be on the inside pi$$ing out than on the outside pi$$ing in


13/7/2013 at 9:37am
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I do not believe that campsites should police this idea nor do I think they would want to after all it could affect their business, I would still like to know given how many accidents there are involving caravans how this test would make it anymore safer than it already is after all accidents do happen as I said in an earlier post motorists have enough legislation to contend with already, what will be the next idea to curtail our pleasures, Europe will soon be telling us when to go to the toilet and how many sheets of paper to use, I am not against safety measures my job includes ladders/scaffolding etc but I do not think this will make any difference as most caravans are already serviced etc, as regards new caravans how many new cars get recalled by the manufacturers


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This MOT idea is great, but there are many on here who are saying its bad and can't be policed/regulated, but at the same time, the same people want it to be self regulated by the caravan clubs, what's the difference? NONE!
The clubs would not be able to manage this, their certifications would have no legal stature, the police could not pull you over and say that you can only tow a caravan if you have a certificate issued by a caravan club, what about people who don't want to belong to a club, of the total caravan population, how many people are not members?



If they decided to change the law so that vans were registered like other countries, with their own plate, it would be easy to spot people who had failed to register, and pull them over/remove them from the road until registered. You would have a grace period and a window of a several years to get compliant eg being a voluntary practice for several years.

The same happened with the theory test, and photo card driving licences.
You still don't have to have a photo card, but when you renew your licence, it will have to be replaced with a photo card, therefore, in years to come, there will only be photo card licences, ok it might be a long time, but eventually it will happen, same can be done with the caravan MOT.





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Like I said it will not happen with our current colour of government, But remember the last government signed us up to human rights legislation (as seen this week with life prisoners), social chapter, working hours directive, handed our hard won rebate back to Brussels. These laws are not decided by our own elected parliament, they are dictated to us by a foreign power


13/7/2013 at 11:41am
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Andy that is exactly my point and a lot of European mots are every 2 years in which time you can get a lot of deterioration to a car/caravan/trailer in that time so are they safer than we are I don`t think so


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Quote: Originally posted by Thekilpins on 13/7/2013
This MOT idea is great, but there are many on here who are saying its bad and can't be policed/regulated, but at the same time, the same people want it to be self regulated by the caravan clubs, what's the difference? NONE!

I think the Clubs and the caravan industry could come up with self-regulation. Furthermore, these organisations have more awareness of caravan safety than any government body.
The Industry could set up the basic procedures, and the legality side would be endorsed by Government law and any enforcing actions be carried out by the police. Since ALL caravans would have to be either serviced and certificated by a recognised workshop, or checked and certificated only where servicing is DIY, actually being a member of a club would not be required.

If it was done by issuing a registration plate for each van, tracking down and registration would take years to accomplish; and no safety improvements would happen if initial application of a scheme only involved new vans from a certain date, and which would be under warranty and therefore serviced annually.

Another downside would be that the police randomly stopped and checked older vans, on the basis that these were liable to be the unsafe ones. This would almost certainly cause accusations of prejudicial behaviour - in a similar way that police 'stop-and-search' is currently under scrutiny.
The only way that the police could take action against these unregistered vans would be if, when stopped, they had failed to obtain a certificate to show completion of a service/certification within the last 12 months.

Also, if the Industry set up the procedure, as caravan workshops carried out service/certification checks, the details of the van and owner could be sent in to a central database, building up the information that the police would find necessary (similar to the DVLA), but which the police are ill-equipped to themselves carry out because of an already acute shortage of manpower.
Basically, it all comes down to a sensible use of logistics.
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13/7/2013 at 3:06pm
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greendemon if you read my posts it is not just about cost, having said that a service £100+ a year, mot anything between £15-30, storage £300= per year campsite fees and cost of extra diesel when towing makes it an expensive hobby for those retired people on a pension or is this hobby only for the well off new caravan owners, not everyone can afford a brand new caravan but to most of the older caravan owners it is their way of enjoying the hobby and I still say that most responsible caravaners have there van regularly serviced unlike a lot of car/van/lorry owners, I think this post has gone on too long there are good arguments for and against and not everyone is going to agree or disagree with mots but nobody on here as convinced me of the need for it as regards safety as I have said before the figures for caravan accidents do not make it a priority in my opinion


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I can't believe people would not be in favour of at least some kind of check on ALL road vehicles and trailers as a matter of safety

Why is it people are not in favour? because we all know its another cynical back door tax and nothing to do with safety or any other well meaning cause.

Lets face it if we are talking road safety and stopping accidents then properly repairing our road network and potholes would stop far more accidents


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This EU legislation has been under consultation for some years now and our government have asked industries and professionals such as myself who maybe carrying out the annual test.
From another perspective being an MOT tester I do not know how this can be carried out effectively.
Some MOT centers are not big enough and cannot cope with the larger motorhomes so would struggle with a caravan, how are the caravans going to moved onto lifts or pits, how can brakes be checked. This may mean that due to some of these factors trailer owners will find themselves travelling further than they would like to have a test carried out.
This is an EU legislation and so we will have to abide by it but each country can have their own derogations or exemptions, if GB decide our own derogations; anyone taking caravans abroad may then be breaking the law in that country (food for thought).
As for this being an extra tax is a bit cynical, the money you pay will go towards wages and equipment for those carrying out the test and probably a couple of quid if the information is required to be uploaded to VOSA databases (like MOT).


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DrivenMad - any equipment/system that is type-approved by one EU state is legal in any other EU state. Therefore, any form of caravan MoT legislated by the UK government would be valid for a visiting UK caravan in other EU member states. And I got that (by telephone conversation AND in writing) from the Dept for Transport.
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The 2 Tops - I agree with you, if they do go down the MOT route. However if they choose to exempt caravans from the MOT and other member states adopt the MOT then this is where problems may be. Similar has happened with driver licensing where certain categories on a licence are not valid in other member states. I hope I have explained this a bit better, but is is difficult to sumarise without being too long winded.



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