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14/8/2009 at 10:59am
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In New Zealand testing of trailers and caravans is done anyplace that carries out regular vehicle tests. Although there are a number of "professional" (and once state controlled) drive through testing stations, a large percentage of normal workshop type garages carry out MOT testing on trailers and caravans and few, if any of these have special trailer testing equipment. The last time I had my caravan tested at one of the "professional" stations, they left the van connected to the car and lifted the van at the axle just enough to check the suspension and wheels.

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14/8/2009 at 1:19pm
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Two and a half years ago, I wrote off a caravan in a snaking accident. I was the only one involved.
I didn't know it was written off at the time as all the damage looked superficial along one side of the body.

I repaired this damage, but on its first trip out after this and 70 miles from home, the suspension on that side collapsed.
A bodge job and a careful drive got us home but it was touch and go.

After stripping anything useful from this van, I towed it to the local scrapyard.
There was no insurance claim or anything like that.

2 weeks later I saw my van being towed through the village and it is now sitting 2 streets away.

It is used once a year by the new owner who has since aproached me to enquire if I would sell him the bits that I stripped out of it. I refused.

This caravan is not roadworthy. He knows this but doesn't care and he is a mechanic to trade.

Had there been some form of paperwork that I could have declaired it as scrap, things might be different but at the moment he can use this potential death trap any way he pleases and as far as I know, there is nothing anyone can do about it.



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14/8/2009 at 2:03pm
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Since 1992, all new UK caravans have been registered by HPI under the CRIS scheme. So I wonder whether HPI would note on the CRIS record that the caravan had been scrapped.

Geoff


14/8/2009 at 2:15pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Harpmaker on 14/8/2009
In New Zealand testing of trailers and caravans is done anyplace that carries out regular vehicle tests. Although there are a number of "professional" (and once state controlled) drive through testing stations, a large percentage of normal workshop type garages carry out MOT testing on trailers and caravans and few, if any of these have special trailer testing equipment. The last time I had my caravan tested at one of the "professional" stations, they left the van connected to the car and lifted the van at the axle just enough to check the suspension and wheels.

Yep, same in Germany. Testing every 2 years and no hassle.



14/8/2009 at 2:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by LobeyDosser on 14/8/2009

Had there been some form of paperwork that I could have declaired it as scrap, things might be different but at the moment he can use this potential death trap any way he pleases and as far as I know, there is nothing anyone can do about it.


It is the law that all vehicles, including trailers, must be kept in a road-worthy condition at all times that they are used on the road. So, if you know that he's actually towing it on the road you should report your suspicions to the police, bearing in mind that he could have fixed it up in the meantime.

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14/8/2009 at 4:23pm
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Maybe all those of you who are Anti-Mot for trailers and caravans on financial grounds would change your minds if it was one of your family who had been injured or killed in an accident caused by a faulty trailer. It could even be a the main bread winner of the household, and as i discovered during an accident some years ago, not all cars and trailers are insured, it certainly cost us a lot in lost earnings after a farm  trailer with faulty brakes hit us, not to mention the scaring for life on my forehead and other injuries i sustained and was never compensated for even though my own car was a right off. 

In these days of no win no fee litigation, the owner of a faulty trailer may also find themselves facing a heafty claim for such damages against them, my accident happened back in 1992, and the figure my solicitor along with my insurance company was trying recover for me was in excess of £10k wey back then, so goodness knows what the sum would be at todays rates. Surely it would be cheaper and better to pay a small fee anually to get a trailer MOT'ed to ensure some level of regular safety check? 



14/8/2009 at 4:45pm
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My work-mate died in a car crash just a few years ago. His brakes failed just a week or two after its MOT test. Dont think an MOT is any guarantee your vehicle is safe.

This story sounds more like a tale started by the trade to scare us all into buying newer 'vans, dont fall for it....

Andy.

 

 



14/8/2009 at 5:15pm
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I can think of many compelling reasons why trailers should be annually serviced tested and insured to certify they are safe and roadworthy.

Obviously, the only reason against is cost.

The towing vehicle and driver should also be required to show that they are capable and suitable to tow the chosen trailer. Too many drivers are unable to reverse a unit in a straight line even.



14/8/2009 at 5:21pm
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For info, I'm anti-MOT full stop. The only thing it proves and can prove is that the vehicle (be that a prime mover or a trailer) was (note the past tense) roadworthy at the time of testing. It says nothing about the roadworthiness of the vehicle even an hour after the test. The MOT system lets people get away with unroadworthy vehicles, sometimes for months. Since there's little chance they'll get stopped for a roadside check, miscreants can operate with dodgy brakes, sloppy steering, etc. Provided they get it all fixed for when the test is carried out, they know they won't get caught unless they have an accident serious enough to warrant a thorough vehicle examination.

What's needed is a system of random roadside checks carried out often enough that most motorists get checked at least once per year. Such a system would check every type of vehicle on the road (including trailers, and even bicycles). Of course, that'll mean a loss of revenue for the motor trade and the government (i.e. the taxpayer) will need to pay for the checks. So it won't happen precisely because financial expediency is more important than safety to the government.

Also worth considering is that to carry out regular MOT tests on trailers will require those trailers to be registered as vehicles in their own rights. This will open the door for more taxes (AFAICT most if not all countries that register trailers impose vehicle taxes on them). So it's not just fifty quid or so a year for MOT that's at stake here, it's a couple of hundred a year in VED also. For those who use their caravans infrequently, that could be just too high a price to pay and thus trailer MOT testing could spell the death of caravanning as we know it.

Just a thought...

Geoff

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14/8/2009 at 5:36pm
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The Times (I think) did an April fool's article about this subject.


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there are a lot of vans these days on the motorway with flat tyres sometimes ending up as flat packs, if anything they would have the tyres checked.I think it be a good thing to test any trailer that goes on the highway Tax i dont agree with.

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14/8/2009 at 6:42pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Bill Terry on 14/8/2009
I think it be a good thing to test any trailer that goes on the highway Tax i dont agree with.

I don't think you'll be able to pick and choose. I've yet to find a country that has annual testing for trailers that doesn't require those trailers to be registered as vehicles in their own right, and I've yet to find a country that registers trailers and doesn't also impose annual vehicle tax on them.

Since registration of trailers is a prerequisite for formal, MOT-style testing, if you agree with trailer testing, you implicitly agree with registration of trailers and the additional taxation that seems inevitable with that.

Geoff


14/8/2009 at 7:05pm
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>>>  So it's not just fifty quid or so a year for MOT that's at stake here, it's a couple of hundred a year in VED also.  <<<

We have 4 cars. All require MOTs to use on public roads.

Yearly Road Tax Costs.

Car one £130 
Car two £32
Car three £0.
Car four £0.

As Road Tax now depends on the CO2 Emisions and, as far as I am aware, Caravans do not produce any CO2 Emision, I do not see the Road Tax being very much, if any.

The bigger the caravan, the bigger the vehicle needed to tow it and that vehicle will be where they will rake in the Road Tax. As they are doing already.

By the by, all 4 of our cars can tow our caravan, although, at the moment we only use the first two.



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14/8/2009 at 7:56pm
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Lobey, I suspect that they'll probably charge something pro rata with the current trailer taxes, which are £165 for trailers between 4,000 kg and 12,000 kg and £230 for trailers over 12,000 kg. Thus I'd expect them to charge about £120. However it could be as much as £190 if they tax trailers as "vehicles with no engine size".

Geoff


14/8/2009 at 9:14pm
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I agree with it if it saves lives. Seen some bad outfits out there.

A simple way is to make servicing mandatory and do it alongside that.

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14/8/2009 at 9:31pm
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At the moment I am paying £32 a year road tax on my outfit.

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But my nose would be right out of joint if I was asked to pay the same road tax on my van as say a 6 berth twin wheel job.

I guess any system of tax would have to be based on the trailer weight/number of wheels/etc.

Whilst I might bitch and moan about paying out more money and the hassle of taking yet another vehicle/trailer for a test, if there is a bona fide reason behind it, IE Road Safety and in doing so it takes some death traps off our roads, then I am all for it.



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