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11/9/2010 at 6:22pm
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The OP doesn't actually say it's blocking their light. Only that they can see it out of their window.

I don't much like the bloke who lives over the back from us, but there isn't much I can do about the fact that I can see him

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11/9/2010 at 6:24pm
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'Hey Wonky! Forget legal action, I would put up about 10-20 bird feeders right next to the fence/ caravan Lots of those fat balls - they really attract mice! (you know where this is going)You'll have hundreds of birds in no time crapping all over their van, sat on the roof - jackdaws galore! Mice picking up the droppings and then finding those little vent holes in the floor of the van, to make a nice cosy little home out of the cushions - or should I say in them! '

The problem is what are they going to do in response and how far will the retaliation go - sometimes these things go on for years.



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11/9/2010 at 6:30pm
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1. If their deeds have a restrictive covenant prohibiting the siting of a caravan in the front garden they cannot do so...however, the wording of that covenent may not entitle you to enforce it. It may simply have been imposed for the benefit of the original builder of the estate. Check your deeds, they are likely to be the same as the neighbours, particularly if this is an estate you live on built in the last, say 50 years.. and then take legal advice as to whether you benefit from that covenent.

2. Plannijng permission is not required. however, planning consent for the estate may possibly contain a planning restriction prohibiting the siting of a caravan in the front garden. Highly unlikely but you never know. The Local Planning Authority would enforce any breach of planning.

3. There is no automatic entitlement to any right of light. If there is any then the amount of light is not as much as you may think it is. I think it would need to be a fairly high caravan to obstruct your light. Remember that light comes from the sun and so it flows downward.  Broadly the shadow would need to be at 45 degrees over your room. Again check your deeds to see if you have any such rights. Such rights are usually reserved only for the original builder of an estate.

Basically, it is very unlikely that you can do anything.

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11/9/2010 at 6:33pm
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If you've got em - you've got em. Politeness, legal action or otherwise - doesn't matter - It will go on for years! That's life!

If you win via courts, they will still make your life hell!

Bird feeders are cheaper than lawyers!

Often its a no win situation.

Good luck Wonky


11/9/2010 at 6:34pm
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Phil - rights of light occur after unrestricted 'use' for 20 years.

I agree that it's unlikely - see my earlier posts - but a lot of modern planning permissions do restrict permitted development rights and that would be significant. I doubt that the LPA as enforcement authority would take action as it is not usually considered expedient to do so


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11/9/2010 at 7:58pm
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'Bird feeders are cheaper than lawyers! '

They then play loud stereo day and night to clear the birds and it all escalates.  Is the sight of a caravan worse than agro for years?  If your neighbour put bird feders out to annoy you, just think what revenge you would dream up, a lot worse probably.



11/9/2010 at 8:21pm
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whats wrong with a caravan anyway. better than screaming kids or a dog barking all day or even the loud music. pretend your on holiday every day . cheers alan.

bet your glad you dont live in my street. hee hee.



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11/9/2010 at 9:02pm
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Well vwalan has a point - and so does briancowy. It could really be an awful lot worse & so if it's not actually blocking your light maybe it's best to stop letting it bother you so much.

A caravan isn't that pretty but it's not that ugly or offensive either - is it ?

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11/9/2010 at 9:04pm
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Quote: Originally posted by PigletandTigger on 11/9/2010
The OP doesn't actually say it's blocking their light. Only that they can see it out of their window.

I don't much like the bloke who lives over the back from us, but there isn't much I can do about the fact that I can see him
lol  !

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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 11/9/2010

'Bird feeders are cheaper than lawyers! '

They then play loud stereo day and night to clear the birds and it all escalates.  Is the sight of a caravan worse than agro for years?  If your neighbour put bird feders out to annoy you, just think what revenge you would dream up, a lot worse probably.




So you must have the answer to the problem then Brian! Your'e happily finding faults with my comic replies!
Please enlighten us with your perfect solution too what none of us know the real background to! - hence my rather tongue in cheek - bird feeders reply!!!
yours in anticipation!


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11/9/2010 at 10:22pm
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Quote: Originally posted by caravancaz on 11/9/2010
Hey Wonky! Forget legal action, I would put up about 10-20 bird feeders right next to the fence/ caravan Lots of those fat balls - they really attract mice! (you know where this is going)You'll have hundreds of birds in no time crapping all over their van, sat on the roof - jackdaws galore! Mice picking up the droppings and then finding those little vent holes in the floor of the van, to make a nice cosy little home out of the cushions - or should I say in them!

Just a little thought!
Lol, made me chuckle.....not sure id like to be your neighbour 

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11/9/2010 at 10:27pm
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I am not sure how much of a problem there is.  The op has made only one single posting on this forum and hasn't even mentioned whether he has talked to his neighbour.  Personally I would have talked to my neighbour first.

 



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OK, lets set the record straight - no we haven't talked to our neighbours.

All was ok with neighbours until 4 years when they applied to extend their house (they wanted to build on the party wall with gutters etc hanging over into our garden.  The extension also projects 4.5m, which breaches planning "guidelines") so we objected.  The council did not do what it says on the website and planning was passed - very long story.  Now we live with a worse permanent eye sore than the caravan everyday.  Council eventually gave us a written apology.

When extension was being built they kept coming into the garden, without telling us (know we have to all them reasonable access).  So we put up a video camera just in case of any damage.  They reported us to the Police and accused us of being pedos!  Police came round and took no action, we were videoing our own back garden afterall.

3 years later Police ask us if we have any video cameras, as we run our own business from home and have some very expensive cars (for business use only - otherwise have a 10 yr old Kia Carens and a 8 yr old Micra!) and there was a spate of windows being smashed - ours being one of them.  No, couldn't be bothered with the agro of being accused of being pedos.

Since the extension/video accusations they complain about every little job on the house that we do, including putting up a washing line in the garden!  Believe me, they've been round lots and I assure you that we make very litte noise.  I used to tell hubby to knock off any jobs he was doing at 7.30.  Hubby is now just fed up with them.

2 weeks ago their dog chewed a hole about 6' x 8" in the fence, so hubby went and asked them when they intended to replace the fence panel as we have rabbits and didn't want the dog getting in the garden and at the rabbits.  2 weeks later and the fence still hasn't been fixed, although they have "bodged" some wood onto it on their side.

In spite, they knocked all my plants over that were attached to the fence (on our side), including those that were tied to the fence with plastic wheel trim ties.

They then went on holiday for 10 days leaving their dog home alone for the 2nd time this year.  Really nice people.

I thought the fact that they were lazy and couldn't be bothered to bring their bins in from the front of the house was bad enough but now we have an ugly dirty caravan in the front.

We work 6/7 days a week and so are very rarely around.  We have 2 young children.  We can do without the agro.

I have a very low opinion of my neighbours and yes I think most of the things they do they are doing just to really p**s us off and yes it's working!

Just thought I'd ask for some advice re the caravan, but hey whilst we don't get on with our neighbours (and we get on with everyone else, whereas these neighbours don't talk to anyone - complete wierdos), you lot can't seem to "get on" on here.

But as in most things it seems that the low life in this world can get away by sticking 2 fingers up at the rest of society.

Thank you to those who have offered some advice (even if it's not in our favour) and to caravancaz for making us laugh.  To brianconwy, some people just cannot be reasonned with and just wanted to know whether we had any rights before having 2 fingers stuck up at us.  Perhaps you could live here for a couple of months and see how it would effect you (and not just the caravan).

Personally, I have no issues with caravans and spent many happy holidays with my parents, firstly camping, then a trailer tent, then tourer before my parents took the cushy decison to buy a static.  I'd just rather the caravan was on their driveway then I didn't have to look at it.

Off to bed now as we have a 10 hour work day ahead of us tomorrow.  At least it'll be almost dark by the time we get home and then we can shut the curtains!



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You hadn't told us anything about the situation in your original post so how do we know that they can't be reasoned with.  At least we have now heard your side of the story.


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if you work 6-7 days a week and its dark when you get home ,why are you complaining

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Well I'm really glad our nearest neighbours are not very near - they'e ok anyway.

Sorry to hear how bad things are for you, they sound like bl**dy awful people. Has any of the advice/info you have been given here (there was some from phil & someone else who had knowledge of the council regs wasn't there ?) been of any use ?

I can imagine it's pretty annoying when some of us don't appreciate how this affects you, but to be fair we couldn't know really ! Also on a public forum it's par for the course that we won't all agree & even will get up one another's noses sometimes too.. that's just human nature really.

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