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Thanks Guys,

interesting to note that both manufacturers Elddis and Bailey, have used the "innovation" in manufacture to drastically reduce interior quality. I can say I am disgusted with the standard of build and finish inside my Pegasus: with trim which doesn't fit, edges which should be beaded are simply foiled and bathroom and wardrobe doors coming adrift. The new Bailey worktop surface is about as tough as a new coat of gloss paint and the design and installation of the electrics is "shocking".

The wood floor is a puzzle. Athough I thought it was a wood floor when looiong from beneath, when drilling for the motor mover, there was no wood waste, only inner skin, insulation and outer.

And finally: is it monocoque? Well it ain't framed, and its a self supporting shell, but is mounted...dunno

I used to pull fridge trailers shipped from Holland off Harwich dock with loads of veg & bacon for UK supermkt RDCs. The trailers were mainly Dutch makes Vanhool, Pacton etc, very intensively used on a 24/7 basis so they only lasted a few yrs until they were scrapped. I did this on & off for 30 odd yrs, in that time they went from ally sided to the modern construction which reduced weight by about 2tonnes. Its fair to say the very lightweight ones didn't last that long but they wern't really intended to, the money was in the extra payload.

Hi Tentz i'm sure pacton is now Lamboo which is probably the least desireable fridge in Europe even the Russians dont want them, you dont really see many vanhool fridges in the uk either but they are better than Lamboo.

The joys of road haulage, i work for a large trailer rental company selling our old trailers mainly to Dubai or Russia only about 20% of what we sell actually stays in this country

Bessie    

Quote: Originally posted by simon23 on 06/9/2012Well our brand new ElddisTempest went in for first service last year and was full of damp

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Quote: Originally posted by strax on 06/9/2012

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So, in your opinion, does the Eldiss "watertight" construction match up to the Bailey monocoque construction?

I'll nail my colours to the flag: Bailey Alutech avoids structural problems whether water gets in or not. And without a pressure test on each 'van, Eldiss will never get every one water tight. And as timber is still used in the construction, delamination will still occur.

Nice try, but a bit short on innovation IMHO.

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Wood is good, in caravans or houses or anywere else apart from spacecrafts.  It isn`t hard to protect sffectively for upwards of 20 years - outside.  So it should be easy to stop water ingress totally.  Before the caravan is sold!

No new methods are required; just more care and attention.  And an MD who knows the business.  In my opinion.

Quote: Originally posted by Oldfolder on 08/9/2012

Quote: Originally posted by strax on 06/9/2012

So, in your opinion, does the Eldiss "watertight" construction match up to the Bailey monocoque construction?

I'll nail my colours to the flag: Bailey Alutech avoids structural problems whether water gets in or not. And without a pressure test on each 'van, Eldiss will never get every one water tight. And as timber is still used in the construction, delamination will still occur.

Nice try, but a bit short on innovation IMHO.

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You already know the answer - if it's got wood in it, it will rot.

IMO, there is only *one* caravan worth buying in the UK, and that's the 'alutech'

I know enough about caravan construction (bitter experience, expensively obtained!) to appreciate the value of a caravan that has no timber framing or wall board.

Swift, Eldiss, et.all. can put luxurious cushions in their caravans until the cows come home - but they still have the same old wooden framing that has cursed caravans since bonded construction was introduced in 1980.

Only one brand has invested in what should be the *norm* for caravan construction - and that's the only brand worth buying. In my opinion.

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Its probably best to condem this new system without even trying it I suppose. Yes, that's most likely the best approach. Never bought one, never tried it, don't really believe that the Henkel, who have made aeroplanes, formula one cars and boats know anything about putting stuff together. Yes that's the way to go. I'll stick to my  tried and trusted thoroughbred

Phil

I'll stick to my tried and trusted thoroughbred"

Bet it`s watertight too . . .

Im sure Elddis now offer 10 years water ingress warranty?

Bailey did offer 10 year Insurance backed but for some reason have moved it back to 6 years????  Is this a lack of confidence in the product or to save £££££

you decide....

Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 08/9/2012

Its probably best to condem this new system without even trying it I suppose. Yes, that's most likely the best approach. Never bought one, never tried it, don't really believe that the Henkel, who have made aeroplanes, formula one cars and boats know anything about putting stuff together. Yes that's the way to go. I'll stick to my  tried and trusted thoroughbred

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Phil

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Quote: Originally posted by cwdc56768 on 08/9/2012

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Its probably best to condem this new system without even trying it I suppose. Yes, that's most likely the best approach. Never bought one, never tried it, don't really believe that the Henkel, who have made aeroplanes, formula one cars and boats know anything about putting stuff together. Yes that's the way to go. I'll stick to my  tried and trusted thoroughbred

 

 

Phil

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