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13/9/2012 at 11:27am
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 good post Jon


13/9/2012 at 11:52am
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Quote: Originally posted by Chalkie56 on 11/9/2012
One of the guys at work borrowed the transit pick up on Saturday. He returned it with a reshaped back end and a lot of questions were asked why I let it out for private use. I told a wee lie and got away with it. Basically he was driving on the A38 and as a car came down a slip road he pulled over to the outside lane to avoid braking or hitting the car that refused to give way on the slip road. As he pulled over a van was already in the lane in his blind spot and rear ended him. Why do people not give way on slipways instead expect drivers on the inside lane to give way. We have got to pay for our damage as well as the other driver when it was none of their faults but the guily driver drives off scott free. I personally never pull over because of that especially with the caravan. What do you think

I would say there was shared blame between guy using your van and the vehicle joining the carriageway. The seemingly only innocent party is the van who "rear ended" your van.

The whole incident sounds like it could have been avoided by the guy driving your van simply slowing and letting in the "idiot" joining the A38  who would then have been off and away into the distance no doubt



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13/9/2012 at 12:20pm
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Quote: Originally posted by sunshinetours on 13/9/2012
The seemingly only innocent party is the van who "rear ended" your van.


Not at all, he must have seen the vehicle coming up the slip rd & also the vehicle in the nearside lane & yet he assumed that either of those 2 other vehicles would slow down & give way to the other one, he made no allowance for the scenario that actually happened that he should have anticipated. All he had to do was back off slightly & there would have been no accident.



13/9/2012 at 12:33pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 13/9/2012
Quote: Originally posted by sunshinetours on 13/9/2012
The seemingly only innocent party is the van who "rear ended" your van.


Not at all, he must have seen the vehicle coming up the slip rd & also the vehicle in the nearside lane & yet he assumed that either of those 2 other vehicles would slow down & give way to the other one, he made no allowance for the scenario that actually happened that he should have anticipated. All he had to do was back off slightly & there would have been no accident.


As I said "seemingly" - none of us know the full details. If the van was already up level with the Transit there would have been very little in real world he could have done differently.

Some slip roads appear quickly and are pretty short so not always possible to anticapate - but this sis all guess work anyway



13/9/2012 at 1:50pm
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jon is right about forward planning, however if you can't move over, and sometimes you can't, then the onus is on the traffic joining the carriageway to give way, not to force traffic on the carriageway to brake, if I find myself in this situation I use the horn, it's not failed yet


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13/9/2012 at 6:32pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 13/9/2012
Quote: Originally posted by sunshinetours on 13/9/2012The seemingly only innocent party is the van who "rear ended" your van.


Not at all, he must have seen the vehicle coming up the slip rd & also the vehicle in the nearside lane & yet he assumed that either of those 2 other vehicles would slow down & give way to the other one, he made no allowance for the scenario that actually happened that he should have anticipated. All he had to do was back off slightly & there would have been no accident.





If there were vehicles in the left hand lane (which was the case, a Transit) then he may not have been able to see the slip road.


13/9/2012 at 6:36pm
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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 12/9/2012
What is failed to be mentioned here is whether the driver of the Transit used his right indicator to let the driver in the middle lane know he was actually going to make a right manouvre as corrective action could have been sought by all to avoid a collision. It has to be said that many drivers either fail to use their indicators at all or use them incorrectly because they start to make their manouvre first then indicate afterwards which in many cases is too late. We should all remember the code....mirror - signal - manouvre in that specific order and drivers who fail to use the their indicators are the idiots as they think that everyone else on the road are mind readers. I only ever use the nearside carriageway when towing the caravan otherwise driving solo I will move over to the next lane to let another vehicle on entering the highway but I always check first then manouvre in the correct way as mentioned even if I can't see any other vehicles behind. After all, if I can't see them then at least they have seen me and it's all down to respect and courtesy to other drivers which includes the idiots as well. 



Mirror.. Signal.. Manoeuvre is all well and good, but If after checking the mirror, you see another vehicle coming, the process should be halted. It shouldn't be Mirror... Signal... Manoeuvre... CRASH!

When I was learning to drive, I was taught that if another vehicle would need to slow to make room for your manoeuvre then you shouldn't be making the manoeuvre.



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