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Subject Topic: Wardens cant shift caravan on yellow line
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23/1/2013 at 9:13pm
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From the news,

Its been parked since last Autumn

As its unhooked not classed as a vehicle.

Because council been in touch with owner not classed as abandoned.

Not technically causing an obstruction

As no one is living in it its breaking no rules.



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23/1/2013 at 10:05pm
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Cheap storage then.

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23/1/2013 at 10:14pm
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Its a great idea Jim i can see all the caravans from Witches Craig parked out on the road next year

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24/1/2013 at 6:46am
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And now it has made the news thereby drawing attention to it, it will be smashed up in no time!


24/1/2013 at 7:29am
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the guy is obviously peeved with traffic wardens/police/council over something ,and as pointed out is perfectly legal in scotland .BUT by highlighting it so much he could bring about a change in the law that would have massive side effects on other leisure vehicle users in scotland .hmmmmmmm


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24/1/2013 at 8:49am
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A motor vehicle or road vehicle is a self-propelled wheeled vehicle that does not operate on rails, such as trains or trolleys

So not contravening vehicle laws.


24/1/2013 at 10:43am
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Some prior neighbours of my parents used to have a cravan outside their house. The street ran along the side of a building which was part of their local police station. After a few months, the caravan moved and was replaced with a boat on a trailer. This moved and the caravan returned.

The response from the police in all cases was "it is not a vehicle as it doesnt have an engine, its not causing an obstruction, the street is well lit and therefore it does not have to display warning lights". Sorry, there is nothing that we can do, no laws have been broken (and this is in England so its nothing to do with Scottish law being different).

Whilst a lack of such a law might tempt "travellers" to leave their caravans on yellow lines, they would still need somewhere for there 4x4s, transit vans, quad bikes etc so it would actually be easier for them to park up on a verge, or as was recently the case in our town, a quiet side road with no parking restriction.

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24/1/2013 at 12:07pm
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I seem to recall reading somewhere (think it was a landrover mag about greenlanes in Scotland), that many Scottish laws are up to common sense (common law?), in so much as many things are not illegal until someone does it, someone else takes objection to the fact, and takes it to court, whereby it is decided at that point weather it is illegal or not.
The article also said that scottish law was subservant to no other, and as such Scotch court rulings are final, no objecting to the EU is going to change anything.
At the moment what he is doing is not against any law, but it may be in the future.


24/1/2013 at 12:48pm
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I'm amazed that its not been assisted to 'move' by a gang of 15 year olds....Nothing better on a cold night than to stand and warm you hands on a glowing caravan...I have stood next to a fair few in my time watching the fire brigade damping down...parking problem solved.

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24/1/2013 at 1:20pm
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Unless Scottish law is different a trailer is classed as a vehicle under the definition of vehicle. Also as per this legislation it should be lit at night. Maybe they have dozy wardens in Scotland?


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24/1/2013 at 3:35pm
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Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 24/1/2013
A motor vehicle or road vehicle is a self-propelled wheeled vehicle that does not operate on rails, such as trains or trolleys

So not contravening vehicle laws.




What happens if it has a motor mover?


24/1/2013 at 6:18pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 24/1/2013
Unless Scottish law is different a trailer is classed as a vehicle under the definition of vehicle. Also as per this legislation it should be lit at night. Maybe they have dozy wardens in Scotland?



Well that is not how it was put across on last nights news ... and isn't it rather rude to suggest all traffic wardens here are dozy?


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The wardens aren't dozy they don't have the authority to ticket a trailer,they can only ticket motor vehicles.

Saxo1



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Unless the law is different in Scotland the Highways Authority can remove it if they post a notice on it. They need to wait 28 days before moving it if the owner doesn't.

Portsmouth City have been using this legislation for some time to remove boat trailers and caravans.

 

Highways Act 1980 (Section 148 & 149 [1 and 2])

Section 148 – Penalty for depositing on the highway

This act relates to any "thing" which is left on the highway which blocks the view of other road users. This can include vehicles, signposts, flyposting and fly-tipping.

This is an offence and liable to a fine not exceeding £50.

Section 149 - Removal of things deposited on the highway

This section allows the highway authority to remove any "thing" which is deposited on the highway which is a nuisance to other users. The highway authority may first ask the person who deposited it there to remove it first via a notice. If this fails the authority can make a complaint to a magistrates’ court for a removal and disposal order.

If the highway authority sees the ‘thing’ as a danger which includes a danger caused by obstructing the view, or that the item should be removed immediately, then they have the authority to do so.

The authority can also claim any expenses from the owner of the item or the person who dumped it.

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I think it is fair to say that the Highways Act quoted may say what it does but the Highways(Scotland) Act may not. All Acts of Westminster Parliament have to be amended to comply with Scots Law. That is a requirement of the Act of Union.


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I was pointing out to a previous poster that what he was told by the Police was incorrect with regard to english law.

Quote "The response from the police in all cases was "it is not a vehicle as it doesnt have an engine, its not causing an obstruction, the street is well lit and therefore it does not have to display warning lights". Sorry, there is nothing that we can do, no laws have been broken (and this is in England so its nothing to do with Scottish law being different"

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