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Subject Topic: Torch Wrench ...... yes/no
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21/2/2014 at 3:22pm
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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 21/2/2014
Again what is the downside of setting wheel bolts to the correct torque.



The downside is if you have arthritis in your arms, wrist and hands. The WSL nuts are the answer even though they are very expensive for what they are.
Basically we are talking about an inherent fault if the wheels are liable to fall off. I thought that only happened on Friday nights?



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just had a tyre fitted to my rav at halfrauds,told guy my torque wrench was behind back door with locking wheel nut remover, got our own was the reply, rav home cheeks wheel nut, well over torqued, wally's, apart from the fear of stretched wheel studs or bolts, alloys unlike steel wheel can be damaged, so on that note it's worth the time and effort the check the torque before a trip, just my 2p


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21/2/2014 at 3:26pm
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Alloy wheels are more common for coming off.
You dont have to pay a fortune for one.
My best advice would be to check your manual for torque settings and get a wrench that will match that setting.
no point getting one that will torque 400nm when you only need 110nm.
as a guide steel wheels require 88nm and alloys are 110-115 nm. Again check manufacturers manual for certain.

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21/2/2014 at 3:32pm
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Quote: Originally posted by spiritburner on 21/2/2014
I think most folk using a normal wrench, especially with an extender would over-torque wheel nuts. I do. Unlikely to come off. Happy days.

If you not very strong you may not do them up tight enough. May still be enough. Happy days - probably.

I'd rather know. And be confident I could get them off in the event of a puncture.



over tightening will stretch the threads and ruinthe bolts and hubs.
also over tightening them will make them harder to undo in the event of a puncture so I dont see your logic there.



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21/2/2014 at 3:33pm
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Always use a torque wrench, cheap enough in Halfords.
As for the car, my local tyre shop wind the nuts on with the air gun then go round them with the torque wrench set to the correct pressure for the type of wheel....Mick


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Re arthritis.   No excuse. May sound harsh but I also have it. I think you'd be surprised how light a touch you need to get the recommended torque. If its beyond your abilities get someone else to do it.

Re Halfords. Amazes me how many folk call them Halfrauds but still use them. Canny for some things but I wouldnt let them anywhere near our cars with a spanner.


21/2/2014 at 3:43pm
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at Battie
I'm pro torque wrench & agree with you. Read again. That was in reply who those who don't use one but tighten with a regular wrench and don't have problems.   Its my experience that a bloke of average strength will overtighten but not to the extent most garages do.


21/2/2014 at 4:20pm
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at spiritburner.
apologies. I mis read what you were saying. Its this man flu

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21/2/2014 at 4:26pm
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Bummer! Nowt worse!


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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 21/2/2014
When I said many I meant more than the odd few - enough for Bailey to instigate a recall and come up with new tightening instructions. Although the bailey incidents are the most well known it has happened on other makes. After picking up the caravan new and after every service or removal of wheels the caravan should be towed for a specified number of miles and the wheels re-torqued.

I have never seen a wheel come off a car except from failure of trunnions on morris minors.

It is ok to potentially cause an accident on a motorway as long as the insurance company can't pin it on the owner? Nice.

Again what is the downside of setting wheel bolts to the correct torque.



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Although the bailey incidents are the most well known it has happened on other makes.

So surely that was a design fault!

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It is ok to potentially cause an accident on a motorway as long as the insurance company can't pin it on the owner? Nice.

Your words not mine, I was giving an honest answer to someone else who made the point.
You obviously have stats saying that I have been risking everyones life for the last 30+ years using a wheel brace to check wheel nuts every trip without fail rather than using a torque wrench???????? potentially?
How many caravan wheels have you seen coming off yourself.

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After picking up the caravan new and after every service or removal of wheels the caravan should be towed for a specified number of miles and the wheels re-torqued.

Or check with wheel brace if you do not have one.

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Again what is the downside of setting wheel bolts to the correct torque.

I didn't say there was a downside,you are trying to make out if we do not use a torque wrench we are a killers on the road!

I have towed without incident for many years I get my van serviced regulary. I am on my 8th caravan and have looked after them including checking all running gear including wheel nuts and never owned a torque wrench.

I do not use a scaffolding pole to get the nuts as tight as is possible and the few times I have had a puncture I have been able to loosen the wheel nuts with my wheel brace and change without issue and never found any loose wheel nuts at any time.
Doesn't make me clever or special, just one of many thousands of caravanners who do the same.

What I do worry about is the idiots who do cause accidents by irresponsible loading and driving to fast.

So I guess we will agree to disagree that it is not a must have rather than a nice to have.imo

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21/2/2014 at 5:39pm
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I had a wheel come off in October doing a round 20 miles a hour it still done £1500 damage will be getting steel wheels now. And I did check the wheel bolts four times after the service


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Quote: Originally posted by kenles on 21/2/2014
I had a wheel come off in October doing a round 20 miles a hour it still done £1500 damage will be getting steel wheels now. And I did check the wheel bolts four times after the service



I take it that you had alloys, so the wheels would have been torqued at your service.
When you checked did you use a torque wrench

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21/2/2014 at 6:15pm
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Yes I have a torque wrench and it is in the car at all times new alloy wheels are £260 a new steel wheel £45 and you can get wheel nut retainrs and bolts will never come off


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As can bee seen, so many for's and against's. It really comes down to your own peace of mind that having one or not gives you. Personally, I would not go anywhere with a caravan in tow without checking ALL the wheels of the outfit. The golden rule with a torque wrench is to release the tension after use, so it maintains it's accuracy.


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Torque wrenches require calibrating annually as the spring can be over stretched inside. I have one and have used it occasionally, but don't rely on it 100%. I make sure that the bolts are tight by the standard hand wrench, which they always have been and away we go.

I wonder how many people with torque wrenches do get them calibrated? I know my tyre shop does on a regular basis when the snap on van visits, so I'd rather trust him than my cheap draper one.


21/2/2014 at 7:54pm
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I do lol

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