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PersonAlphonso De Lard
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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 11/3/2015
I can't see a problem. Its an external socket with flap which will keep the rain off. If you buy a 3mtre extention lead & replace plug with a heavy duty rubber plug then that should do the job.


Was just trying to work out what benefits there are inreplacing plug if it's under a cover anyway?

I suggested to the OH last night that we could probably get an external plug fitted near to the fridge vents that would solve the problem completely.

No new awning needed if it's not safe to use plug socket as we could continue to use the 260. But she thought an extra socket on the side would spoil the van...

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 11/3/2015
I can't see a problem. Its an external socket with flap which will keep the rain off. If you buy a 3mtre extention lead & replace plug with a heavy duty rubber plug then that should do the job.


Very poor advice indeed.

1. That's the trouble with electricity .... you can't see it.
2. Its a standard mains socket rated for indoor use only, even with a flap IT IS STILL NOT SAFE IN THE WET.
3. Replacing the standard plug with a rubber plug is utter nonsense from a waterproofing or insulation point of view. A rubber plug is not even splashproof. It will make no difference whatsoever.


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Personbilly
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Rubber plugs are more waterproof than plastic, how safe do you need to be? Pull the blue/white plug from your EHU socket after a period of heavy rain you will find the supposedly 'waterproof' plug is wet inside. The installation the op proposes will be safe enough, how can it not be? Its shielded from rain, of course it will get damp, its outside but it will work ok.

Its easy to sit on a forum & say oh you can't do that because it carries very slight risk. Tbf the op will learn nothing from this thread, he can use his own eyes to decide as to whether it is safe of not, 1000s of caravanners do exactly what he proposes with no problem.


PersonLobeyDosser
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Like I said before, we did not use the outside socket (which was also outside the Porch Awning) in the rain.

If we were doing to do so, I would have fitted a proper outside/weatherproof socket, but one of these would not have fitted inside the space that they allow for a normal exterior mains outlet.

The only alternative position for such a weatherproof socket would have been beneath the caravan floor, near the edge and with its wiring going through the floor.

I had done this before with a TT and it was successful.

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PersonAlphonso De Lard
11/3/2015 at 2:21pm
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Quote: Tbf the op will learn nothing from this thread, he can use his own eyes to decide as to whether it is safe of not, 1000s of caravanners do exactly what he proposes with no problem.


I'm no better off for posting that's for sure... Some say it's OK, others not. I'll check it out when I get the van next week, I'll insert a plug and see what chances of water ingress into the socket with the lid down.

I've also emailed Bailey to see if they have a definitive answer as there is nothing I can see in the caravan user manual.



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PersonAlphonso De Lard
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"I am pleased to say that the external plug socket has been specifically designed to be used both inside and outside of awnings. "

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Personbilly
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I would have been suprised if Bailey had fitted an external socket that could not be used externally.


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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 11/3/2015
Rubber plugs are more waterproof than plastic, how safe do you need to be?


No they are not. There is very little difference. Frankly I want to be a great deal safer than this.

Perhaps you ought to read up on IP ratings. The blue plugs we use are only rated as splashproof. That is why on modern caravans they are fitted inside the battery box. On the mains post sockets always point down to stop water collecting in the plug.


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Go to argos and buy a waterproof extension lead, we have one and they are fab, also utilize it when using the electric bbq outside. By the way, the elec socket added by bailey and swift are ALL waterproof to british and european standards.
Happy caravanning.


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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 11/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 11/3/2015Rubber plugs are more waterproof than plastic, how safe do you need to be?

No they are not. There is very little difference. Frankly I want to be a great deal safer than this.

Perhaps you ought to read up on IP ratings. The blue plugs we use are only rated as splashproof. That is why on modern caravans they are fitted inside the battery box. On the mains post sockets always point down to stop water collecting in the plug.





Pity though that they do fill with water.


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I'm no electrician and I know water and electricity don't mix... But I run my outside lights and my Christmas polar bears from my external socket no worries.
It's in its own box like yours will be and although not water tight with a plug in it I'm fairly confident there will be no drama's


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We used to have a proper, garden extension socket on the wall outside our back door, just for using with the lawnmower.

The plug was "sealed" inside a plastic covered metal box with a rubber surround where the plastic met the metal.

Yet, even although it was rated for exterior use, we still got condensation inside the unit.

We now use a different (and safer) system.

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"We now use a different (and safer) system"

Some sheep????

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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 11/3/2015
"We now use a different (and safer) system"

Some sheep????


No he gets his wife to do it!

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Hi, we solved this problem by having an exterior 240v grey outdoor socket fitted to the under floor of caravan nearer the door, they cost about £4 take about an hour to do, get an electrician to give you a quote


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Quote: Originally posted by blueexpo97 on 11/3/2015
"We now use a different (and safer) system"

Some sheep????


Replaced the Exterior So9cket with an Exterior Junction Box and then ran the electrics to a garden shed.
When I need outside power I now use one of the sockets from the shed.

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