I think its the usual approaching dual lane traffic lights, 2nd lane is quieter,go for it and lights change a bit early, suddenly the merge is upon you and you have a 40ft truck next to you.. Ive never seen the advantage of these junctions, they just create accidents and cutting up.
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The speed of the truck is shown at the top of the screen on the video,in my opinion he was doing nothing wrong.
You would not try to beat anyone away from the lights towing a van when two lanes merge it to one in such a short distance so he must have been travelling quite fast and forgotten he was towing so why blame the truck driver he did well to stop.
Car/caravan driver totally to blame.
Quote: Originally posted by G7ACU on 08/4/2015
The camera never lies, but then again the dash cam only films one view so we can't speculate.
Interestingly, this is from the lorry drivers Facebook page:
"Ok just to set the record straight as I can't sleep. When I was stopped at the lights there was one car by the side of me the red one. There was a box van behind me that had been there from the time just after I came off the M5. We pulled off from the lights. I only have 6 tons on so was short shifting 480 horse truck gross weight no more than 22 to will get to 30 quite quick. As I was going through the gears the red car passed me I looked in the mirror and saw the box van was not trying to pass I did see a car and caravan but this was behind and to the right of the box van and looked like he was going to pull in behind the box van less than 8 - 10 seconds later glanced in the mirror as something caught my attention. This is when I hit the horn and the brakes as hard as I could. Stopped lorry in around 20 yards and got up on the curb as much as I dare as anyone who knows where this happened will tell you there are large concrete blocks just off the path where I stopped. I was not trying to block him out as estimates suggest he came through the lights at about 50 mph. Hope this makes sense as not had much sleep since. Oh and I am not a newbie. Had a class 1 for 24 years. Cheers."
Yep as thought by 99% of people, the driver with the caravan was a complete idiot!
Quote: Originally posted by G7ACU on 08/4/2015The camera never lies, but then again the dash cam only films one view so we can't speculate.
Interestingly, this is from the lorry drivers Facebook page:
"Ok just to set the record straight as I can't sleep. When I was stopped at the lights there was one car by the side of me the red one. There was a box van behind me that had been there from the time just after I came off the M5. We pulled off from the lights. I only have 6 tons on so was short shifting 480 horse truck gross weight no more than 22 to will get to 30 quite quick. As I was going through the gears the red car passed me I looked in the mirror and saw the box van was not trying to pass I did see a car and caravan but this was behind and to the right of the box van and looked like he was going to pull in behind the box van less than 8 - 10 seconds later glanced in the mirror as something caught my attention. This is when I hit the horn and the brakes as hard as I could. Stopped lorry in around 20 yards and got up on the curb as much as I dare as anyone who knows where this happened will tell you there are large concrete blocks just off the path where I stopped. I was not trying to block him out as estimates suggest he came through the lights at about 50 mph. Hope this makes sense as not had much sleep since. Oh and I am not a newbie. Had a class 1 for 24 years. Cheers."
Yep as thought by 99% of people, the driver with the caravan was a complete idiot!
Look on the positive side, his Aquaroll seems undamaged
ha ha made me laugh.
i agree the driver of the mondeo was at fault. the poor old truck driver wouldnt be able to anticipate this cretin trying to overtake (and it sounds like he is understandably shaken by it). surly if you are overtaking its your duty to ensure its safe to do so. not the duty of others to allow you to pass.
i know i have been honked at by an irate lorry driver for pulling in too close on the motorway after passing. its difficult to judge where the end of a long caravan is. i do apologize for that.
i am thinking of fitting a reversing camera to the back of my van permanently running so i can be sure i have passed.
If one has driven a 44tonner then its gives one perspective on it. From watching that video carefully one sees an avoidable accident had the truck driver not assumed the caravan would slow down. If you are on the road at all times treat every other road user as an idiot & assume nothing, any failure to do that has the inevitable result.
The truck driver himself states that despite seeing the caravan overtaking the vehicle behind him he failed to observe caravan for 8-10secs afterwards. By his own admission he failed to spot the car/caravan right up beside him until a collision was unavoidable, he does not sound his horn or brake until car is visible...Probably not the best of ideas to put that on facebook.
Do they not flash you in, Baileyjake, like they do for their mates?
On the now rare occasions I drive the works LWB Sprinter van, I tend to get flashed in by most lorries once my back end is clear. Do they deliberately not do this for caravans, out of spite?
Quote: Originally posted by Baileyjake on 08/4/2015
Look on the positive side, his Aquaroll seems undamaged
ha ha made me laugh.
i agree the driver of the mondeo was at fault. the poor old truck driver wouldnt be able to anticipate this cretin trying to overtake (and it sounds like he is understandably shaken by it). surly if you are overtaking its your duty to ensure its safe to do so. not the duty of others to allow you to pass.
i know i have been honked at by an irate lorry driver for pulling in too close on the motorway after passing. its difficult to judge where the end of a long caravan is. i do apologize for that.
i am thinking of fitting a reversing camera to the back of my van permanently running so i can be sure i have passed.
With respect if you are unable to judge when its safe to pull back in when overtaking, should you be towing.
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I think any 44tonner driver will be familiar with the traffic lights 'burn up'. You give it the big one away from the lights & let the overtakers look after themselves as the convergence into one lane gets ever closer. Whoever blinks first, it ain't going to be the truck driver.....Voice of experience & all that..
what struck me was just how easily the caravan fell apart.. he he..
the truck driver was not at fault in the slightest he was in the left lane simply doing what he should be doing..
the car towing the caravan got it wrong i think he or she could well have forgotten they had a caravan on the back..
without the caravan on the back a car on its own would have made it.. in fact the car did make it was caravan that hit the truck..
trog
ps.. looking at the speed more closely the truck did not seem to make any attempt to brake even after the car had hit it..i think they are guilty of never lifting off even to let one of their own kind in which is why they block dual carriage ways so often.. but sh-t happens and people make mistakes..
i know this road very well...the caravan driver is 100% to blame. The 2nd lane is very short and he has made a conscious decision to try to take the truck where there is no room for such a manouver.
I have driven through here many, many times, and I would not even consider any use of lane 2 as there is just no space to complete the overtake.
the difficulty is that there is a slight right hand curve tot he road here, and its not actually that visible as you approach the lights, so I am using local knowledge to drive through here rather than my other spare brain cell.
There are quite a few near misses here for car drivers also!
For the first 20yrs of my truck driving life I might have had the same accident, for the second 20yrs having become less angry & fired up, I would have avoided it by reading the situation as it developed & seeing the possible consequenses.
The alarm bells would have first rang for the trucker when standing at the traffic lights & seeing car/caravan in outside lane where clearly it should not have been, this should have suggested to the truck driver that the caravanner was a nutter. The truck driver could have crept slowly away from the lights & allowed the caravanner to continue on his merry way, drivers like that are better in front than behind one. 2 lanes converging into one are common enough & accidents are avoidable provided only one of the drivers is an idiot.
Thread on trucknet with plenty of posts taking broadly my view, this from those who have actually driven 44tonners for a living. Plenty of comment which reveals trucker's general attitude to caravans as well.
Note the thread title 'Keep her lit, destroy the caravan' Looks like truckers 1, caravanners 0...again.