As moppetsdad says, the journey is part of the holiday, so what's the rush? 30 mph average is not bad, especially if large chunks of the journey are not on motorways. Every roundabout, traffic lights, and road junction drops the average quite considerably. It's surprising how much difference a 1 minute stop at traffic lights makes when you consider the slowing down, the wait at the lights and the accelerating away again.
I used to be a coach driver and spent many years travelling around. Many coaches back then would do over 70 mph (no speed limiters in those days) and we still considered an average of 40 mph very good, unless 90% of the journey was motorway.
You must remember the midland red coaches then Colin batting up and down the M1 and practically over taking almost everything including some very fast lorries, ah those were the days!
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To be honest I drive my motorhome at 60 on the motorway anyway as it uses to much fuel if you go at 70,
Enjoy the drive, take in the journey and stop at lots of places on route,I'm on my way back from Croatia now on my own with my 3 children under 10 and we've done no longer than 5 hour drives, most the time it's been just or 3 hours a day, we've enjoyed exploring the areas we've stopped at.
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Wow, thank you all so much. If I try and thank everyone individually it will sound like a bad Oscar ramble!! Shame we cannot do PMs.
Some excellent points, all really helpful. Not going to move house, we're on the edge of the Lake District and I can see nearly 50 Wainright summits from the garden (sorry, you'll all hate me now!)
Got lots to think about, but incredibly reassuring to see that my timings aren't so rubbish after all, especially when I'm so far from the M6.
Google maps shows Whitehaven to Kielder as being over 2 hours and approx 80 miles. An average speed of just 40mph.
And thats not towing. So a 2 hours trip whilst towing is about right.
You need to travel on the motorway more. Choose a site just off a motorways and then only time the journey as you join the motorway and you will average closer to 60mph.
And it will increase the distance travelled from just 80 miles in 2 hours to closer to 120 miles.
Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 26/8/2017
The speed don't bother me. It takes the time it takes.
Living as I do on an island, I have to factor in ferry times, so I also work on the time factor rather than the distance. So, whether I'm heading down the A82 to the Erskine Bridge from Corran Ferry, I know exactly how long it should take (although I would have been wildly out this last month as it's been traffic chaos)! Ditto across via Stirling to Edinburgh. The same applies on the return trip where timing is vital.
I find knowing timings for sections of a journey very useful as, if you've been held up and heading for a site, once through the hold-up, you can ring the site and let them know you'll be late.
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Quote: Originally posted by moppetsdad on 26/8/2017
You must remember the midland red coaches then Colin batting up and down the M1 and practically over taking almost everything including some very fast lorries, ah those were the days!
I certainly do, and Ribble - Standerwick if I've got the name right. They had some double deckers that would give a Jaguar a run for its money! I drove for Eastern National at one time, and we had one coach that would do 70 mph easily in 4th gear.....and it had a 5 speed box! Never did find out how fast it would go, but I suspect well over 100 mph! Western Scottish had some of the same make that were designed to cruise at 100 mph, before the 70 limit was imposed on motorways. Scary now, when you think about it.
Quote: Originally posted by Rainbowsend on 26/8/2017
Having had a motorhome for 10 years and caravan for 4 years I don't think a change in setup will alter anything. The speed limits are the same for both. Living in Staffordshire it's the M6 that's our problem whether going north or south. The only thing we did find in a motorhome, we could set off about 10pm and get past the worst bits then find somewhere to park up and sleep but this was beginning to get more difficult due to changes in parking restrictions and the nu!ber of lorries parking in lay-bys.
Same here. Especially now the M6 is down to two lanes for roadworks. I don't worry about how long a journey takes, I get there in the end, so why worry?
When you come to roundabouts and traffic lights you are quite likely to come to a stop so you are doing zero miles at those points which has to be taken into account regarding your average speed. Even if you are travelling solo without a trailer, the average speed will be identical that's why a motorhome won't make much difference even though you can go slightly faster on 'A' roads and motorways etc. When I calculate a route towing the caravan I always work out the average speed of around 35 mph. and not usually far out at that. Any unexpected road works along the route will contribute to the average speed so 30 miles per hour sounds about right. The longer the route on motorways could increase the mph. but you won't gain that much in one hour.
We are retired so getting to a destination and back is part of the holiday. We don't travel for more than 130 miles and often stay for several nights en route, choosing sites if possible not far off the route (always motorways if possible), and hopefully in areas with something worth seeing.
Quote: Originally posted by Rainbowsend on 26/8/2017
Having had a motorhome for 10 years and caravan for 4 years I don't think a change in setup will alter anything. The speed limits are the same for both. Living in Staffordshire it's the M6 that's our problem whether going north or south. The only thing we did find in a motorhome, we could set off about 10pm and get past the worst bits then find somewhere to park up and sleep but this was beginning to get more difficult due to changes in parking restrictions and the nu!ber of lorries parking in lay-bys.
Same here. Especially now the M6 is down to two lanes for roadworks. I don't worry about how long a journey takes, I get there in the end, so why worry?
In the 50's on the M6 atleast you are doing the same speed as everyone else on the motorway for once!
Quote: Originally posted by moppetsdad on 26/8/2017
You must remember the midland red coaches then Colin batting up and down the M1 and practically over taking almost everything including some very fast lorries, ah those were the days!
I certainly do, and Ribble - Standerwick if I've got the name right. They had some double deckers that would give a Jaguar a run for its money! I drove for Eastern National at one time, and we had one coach that would do 70 mph easily in 4th gear.....and it had a 5 speed box! Never did find out how fast it would go, but I suspect well over 100 mph! Western Scottish had some of the same make that were designed to cruise at 100 mph, before the 70 limit was imposed on motorways. Scary now, when you think about it.
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs, I worked for Eastern National out of Basildon garage for a couple of years in the mid to late 70s mainly on the town routes but with the odd run to Wood green thrown in for good measure with the mad dash to clear London before the rush hour usually arriving back in Basildon getting on for an hour late, oh the joy!
We had a few of the first Leyland national single deckers that didn't have anti roll bars on and when coming out of the garage heading for the bus pickup station we had to go round and roundabout and if you gave it enough wellie you could ground the front bumper.
With the cost of fuel,Campsite fees,food,i think if your coming north here just book into a hotel thats what were doing now and it works out roughly the same..
Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 27/8/2017
With the cost of fuel,Campsite fees,food,i think if your coming north here just book into a hotel thats what were doing now and it works out roughly the same..
Quote: Originally posted by moppetsdad on 27/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 26/8/2017
Quote: Originally posted by moppetsdad on 26/8/2017
You must remember the midland red coaches then Colin batting up and down the M1 and practically over taking almost everything including some very fast lorries, ah those were the days!
I certainly do, and Ribble - Standerwick if I've got the name right. They had some double deckers that would give a Jaguar a run for its money! I drove for Eastern National at one time, and we had one coach that would do 70 mph easily in 4th gear.....and it had a 5 speed box! Never did find out how fast it would go, but I suspect well over 100 mph! Western Scottish had some of the same make that were designed to cruise at 100 mph, before the 70 limit was imposed on motorways. Scary now, when you think about it.
Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs, I worked for Eastern National out of Basildon garage for a couple of years in the mid to late 70s mainly on the town routes but with the odd run to Wood green thrown in for good measure with the mad dash to clear London before the rush hour usually arriving back in Basildon getting on for an hour late, oh the joy!
We had a few of the first Leyland national single deckers that didn't have anti roll bars on and when coming out of the garage heading for the bus pickup station we had to go round and roundabout and if you gave it enough wellie you could ground the front bumper.
This just gets weirder! I left Wood Green garage in 1973 and worked for London Country Hertford for a year before moving to Norfolk. We moved back to Hertfordshire 15 years later.
Much as all of this talk about old coaches is fascinating, please can I be pedantic and answer the original post?
I'm guessing that in West Cumbria, your 30mph average speed is over single carriageway roads? Once you've joined the M6/M74 you should almost double that. You might be a bit slower through the roadworks between Crewe and Nantwich and again past Birmingham, but that's due to volume of traffic and you'd be just as slow if you weren't towing.
Last year we towed from our home in south Staffordshire, through France and into Switzerland, using mostly motorways and autoroutes and averaged 55mph (excluding the ferry and an overnight stopover but including stopping to buy vignettes at the Swiss border).
There are limits though. Because I recall a coach journey from west Wales to Paris when I was a student. The main reason for not killing myself on the journey was the thought that if I died, this is what hell might be like ... !