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yeah there seems to be variations on kerb weights online which makes things confusing and i can find no mention of the kerb weight in my manual etc in my car, i wonder if there is any other way to confirm kerb weight. thanks again


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Just worked it out. The lower weight is the actual kerbweight how the higher weight is the same vehicle with fluids and a driver which makes more sense as you cannot tow if no one is in the vehicle. LOL!
The 1300kg MTPLM for the caravan as you suggested should be fine and give you more options.


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Hi KMac

It looks like you've about got there but hopefully I can clarify a few points for you.

You probably won't find a figure for 'kerb weight' in any of the information available for your Skoda, but both the V5 and the manufacturer's specifications should give a figure for 'mass in service' (which essentially is the weight of the car as it left the factory, plus an allowance for the driver and a tank of fuel). This isn't quite the same definition as 'kerb weight' but it's close enough and the two terms are often used interchangeably.

The caravan industry's recommendations - note that they have no legal basis - are that nobody should tow a caravan that weighs more than the car's kerb weight (or mass in service), and that those new to towing should limit the weight of a caravan to about 85% of the kerb weight. This recommendation is crude at best and in reality, a few tens of kg either way are highly unlikely to make any noticeable difference.

The first weight given on your VIN plate is the maximum permissible weight of the car when fully loaded. Deduct around 600kg payload which is appropriate for most cars of that size and you're looking at a kerb weight of just under 1400kg, which seems plausible. On this basis, if you look for a caravan with an MTPLM of max 1250kg you should be reasonably safe and legal.

The second weight is the maximum permissible weight of a car and trailer combined. Deduct the first from the second to get a maximum permissible towing weight of 1600kg, which agrees with what you have been told. However, this is based on the weight of a trailer - not a high-sided caravan - that the car can physically move from a standing hill start. It has no relevance whatsoever to what it can comfortably handle - for instance - on motorways to and from your holiday destinations - hence the more conservative recommendations given by the caravan industry.

Towing a twin axle caravan is really no more difficult than a single axle. There's even some argument that a twin axle should be more stable when being towed because there's effectively twice as much contact with the road surface. However, this is probably academic in your case because most, if not all twin axle caravans will be heavier than your car can manage.

I hope this makes sense but please do post again if we can be of any more help.

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ahhh that makes sense! I'll go for round aboyt the 1300kg then. Just helps me to narrow the vans down so im only looking at what my car can tow, thanks so much for all your help, I've found a couple of the bailey models which I'm arranging to see as they fit the bill weight wise. thanks again


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Thanks so much for your help, i think I'm finally understanding the weights slightly better. Ive found a few 4 to 6 berth for 1300kg or under so hoping that i should be able to tow these fine, fingers crossed! A few of the bailey models seem to be quite light weight, i will further look into which other vabs would be ok for the car weight wise, hoping to get one in time for next spring but thought i better start researching now. thanks again


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We used to have a 2011 Bailey Orion and it was very lightweight, 1249 for our 4 berth I think. It was a great wee caravan with the emphasis on the wee! I think they did it in a bigger version as well that may not have been massively heavier.

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yeah they're 5 berth is only 1280 so not much heavier than their 4, its got 3 fixed bunks which woukd be good as my 2 boys get older :D


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Quote: Originally posted by kmac93 on 15/6/2021
yeah they're 5 berth is only 1280 so not much heavier than their 4, its got 3 fixed bunks which woukd be good as my 2 boys get older :D



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Cutting through all the advice given here, the MTPLM of the van is what you want, and 1300/1350kg should be fine. The Octavia VRS diesel should make a good towcar, with plenty power.
The thing to remember is that the 85% is only a guide, it's not legal, so a wee bit over will be fine.
And Baileys are usually a bit lighter than Swifts or Eldiss's, the thing I don't like about them is that they have no front locker, but that's a personal thing.

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Not wishing to hijack this thread and I think the OP has his answer but can I just ask about weights....

On my V5 is says my vehicles 'mass in service' is 1600kg. I believe that figure has 75kg added for a driver ?

So to be ask accurate as possible with regards towing weights, do I work on 85% of 1600kg or 85% of 1525kg ( minus the 75kg for driver ) ?

Apologies I have read this thread but seem to be confusing myself now !!

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Hi Norris

The answer to your question is that you can work from the mass in service, and that therefore an 85% ratio would be 1360kg.

However, that's actually one of the least important considerations. Far more important, because both have legal implications, are the manufacturer's towing limit for your car and any restrictions on your licence (if applicable). Your car's towing limit may be well in excess of its kerb weight, or it may be less than 1360kg depending on its engine, suspension and various other things. But you cannot tow more than that weight.

If you have a post-1997 'Category B' licence the maximum permissible weights of your car and caravan combined cannot legally exceed 3500kg. You can get the maximum permissible weight of your car from the VIN plate (the first figure given). Subtract that from 3500kg to get the maximum MTPLM of a caravan that you can legally tow.



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Sam and Rose, thank you so much for replying.

On my VIN plate I have the following 4 figures.....

2145kg
3185kg
1100kg
1150kg

Are you able to tell me what the maximum towing limit from them figures ?

Sorry to be so thick about this but as I say I seem to be confusing myself ?!?!

Thanks again.


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2145kg MAM Maximum Authorised Mass of car
3185kg GTW Gross Train Weight Max combined MAM of car plus MAM of trailer
1100kg Max weight on front axle of car
1150kg Max weight on rear axle of car

So if you subtract 2145 from 3185 that is the Max Tow Weight of the car. 1040kg.

However, it may be possible to increase this if the car is not fully loaded. e.g. if the car is only 1845 kg when loaded the trailer may be 3185 minus 1845 equals 1340kg.

I would want to see this in the handbook or V5 though.


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Navver, thank you for helping me.

To show how thick I am I can't even get the figures correct from my VIN plate.

My correct figures are 3845kg and 2145kg so by your calculation of 3845 minus 2145 that gives a maximum tow weight of 1700kg. Considering my caravans MTPLM is 1260kg I'm hoping my car should have no issues pulling it.

Thank you.


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Sorry for missing your earlier reply Norris, I have been away - in the caravan, with patchy internet - for a couple of weeks.

However, based on those figures your car should be absolutely fine towing 1260kg. You can also tow that weight without a B+E licence given that the maximum weights of your car and caravan combined are less than 3500kg (2145 + 1260 = 3405kg).

Navver - my understanding is that legally, the VIN plate takes precedence even if the handbook or V5 say something else.

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