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16/1/2024 at 8:54am
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Quote: Originally posted by Mick S. on 15/1/2024
People who claim its 'obscene', must be members (as am i). Theres no obligation to renew memberships. Just saying.

22m quid will not be a huge amount of money in relation to number sites owned, and having to be maintained. I dont like paying silly pitch prices either, but i understand how business works. Hence i only use my membership for CS's. I wouldn't mind betting its more affluent 'cousin' club has an even bigger balance sheet.



Profit would be after the costs of maintenance, buying new sites, salaries etc.


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16/1/2024 at 1:23pm
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After the Covid closures and no income from sites or travel side of business, CAMC who I'm told continued to fully pay staff (unlike CCC!), came out of it all with still a healthy stash of cash! Just shows how much they had tucked away!

I know people in businesses forced to close and who lost ALL their income, who were in real dire straights at the end of it all.

The 'non-profit making' clubs do seem to have rather too much loose cash to justify their 'for the members' business model claims!

When you add in the cost of annual membership in addition to pitch fees, their sites often really do look expensive. Commercial sites don't have the substantial income of membership fees but often undercut them on pitch fees!

You really do have to look closely at the benefits of membership to justify it these days! For me, it's the storage site, insurance and CL's that justify it, CERTAINLY not the main camp sites!


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Quote: Originally posted by SHANTY SINGER on 15/1/2024
We have found that over the past few years that the small private sites are alot better than CL sites and a hell of alot cheaper. We won't be renewing our caravan club membership this year. We only use small sites. Toilets ect are not required. Saves us a few bob

Where are these much cheaper small private sites? Never came across any.



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So what are the age related discounts ?

Bessie


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19/1/2024 at 5:31pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 18/1/2024
So what are the age related discounts ?

Bessie


the CCC ACR,"or age concession rate" gives members over age of 60 , a 25% reduction of pitch fees, but not in high season.
but the latest offers announced last week give more discounts, and some of those include high season ,but they only apply to certain sites, at certain
times, on certain pitches,

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I predict a riot !!


via mobile 22/1/2024 at 11:29am
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Quote: Originally posted by G#Winger on 19/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 18/1/2024
So what are the age related discounts ?

Bessie


the CCC ACR,"or age concession rate" gives members over age of 60 , a 25% reduction of pitch fees, but not in high season.
but the latest offers announced last week give more discounts, and some of those include high season ,but they only apply to certain sites, at certain
times, on certain pitches,



What a stupid concept, why from the age of 60 do you get a discount these should be open to everybody for the same times and dates regardless of age.
It’s funny because every time I go on a campsite it’s always people aged 60+ Ghat are driving round in 80 grand motorhomes the younger people with families Are usually in older caravans.

Bessie



22/1/2024 at 1:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 22/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by G#Winger on 19/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 18/1/2024
So what are the age related discounts ?

Bessie


the CCC ACR,"or age concession rate" gives members over age of 60 , a 25% reduction of pitch fees, but not in high season.
but the latest offers announced last week give more discounts, and some of those include high season ,but they only apply to certain sites, at certain
times, on certain pitches,



What a stupid concept, why from the age of 60 do you get a discount these should be open to everybody for the same times and dates regardless of age.
It’s funny because every time I go on a campsite it’s always people aged 60+ Ghat are driving round in 80 grand motorhomes the younger people with families Are usually in older caravans.

Bessie



There are always exceptions though. There are young people in my street driving brand new cars and pensioners like myself driving a 16 year old car towing a 32 year old caravan. It is probably true that many 80 grand motorhomes are driven by older people, but maybe the younger ones simply don't want that kind of holiday. They prefer to fly to the US or the far east. It is impossible to generalise. Not all pensioners are well off, far from it, nor are all younger people poor.

In any case, I have found that often we can find commercial sites cheaper than club sites, even with our pensioners' discount.



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The age discount used to start at 60 (the membership card shows on it at renewal). However, the age went up to 65 several years ago. We’ve only benefited from it once or twice; from memory (I could be wrong) it’s during the week at low season when younger people with families are working & at school.

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2024 = 20 sites / 41 nights. 2023 = 9/23. 2022 = 13/35. 2021 = 11/29. 2020 = 4/20. 2019 = 13/35. 2018 = 20/33. 2017 = 10/22. 2016 = 19/33. 2015 = 15 sites / 27 nights. Didn't count 1976 to 2014.


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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 22/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by G#Winger on 19/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 18/1/2024
So what are the age related discounts ?

Bessie


the CCC ACR,"or age concession rate" gives members over age of 60 , a 25% reduction of pitch fees, but not in high season.
but the latest offers announced last week give more discounts, and some of those include high season ,but they only apply to certain sites, at certain
times, on certain pitches,



What a stupid concept, why from the age of 60 do you get a discount these should be open to everybody for the same times and dates regardless of age.
It’s funny because every time I go on a campsite it’s always people aged 60+ Ghat are driving round in 80 grand motorhomes the younger people with families Are usually in older caravans.

Bessie



There are always exceptions though. There are young people in my street driving brand new cars and pensioners like myself driving a 16 year old car towing a 32 year old caravan. It is probably true that many 80 grand motorhomes are driven by older people, but maybe the younger ones simply don't want that kind of holiday. They prefer to fly to the US or the far east. It is impossible to generalise. Not all pensioners are well off, far from it, nor are all younger people poor.

In any case, I have found that often we can find commercial sites cheaper than club sites, even with our pensioners' discount.





Your right Colin there always is so why not give the midweek out of season discount to everyone, and those with pre school aged kids can also benefit, I’m
Sure many young families are struggling just as much if not more than some pensioners.

Bessie


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22/1/2024 at 8:17pm
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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 22/1/2024
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/1/2024

There are always exceptions though. There are young people in my street driving brand new cars and pensioners like myself driving a 16 year old car towing a 32 year old caravan. It is probably true that many 80 grand motorhomes are driven by older people, but maybe the younger ones simply don't want that kind of holiday. They prefer to fly to the US or the far east. It is impossible to generalise. Not all pensioners are well off, far from it, nor are all younger people poor.

In any case, I have found that often we can find commercial sites cheaper than club sites, even with our pensioners' discount.





Your right Colin there always is so why not give the midweek out of season discount to everyone, and those with pre school aged kids can also benefit, I’m
Sure many young families are struggling just as much if not more than some pensioners.

Bessie



I'd have no problem with that but I'm not sure how much that would benefit many young families, as a lot of them can't go mid-week as they are working. I'm judging by my own family, I have two daughters and a son, and I also have two granddaughters who have pre-school kids. None of them are well off.

Wealth and poverty aren't really age related, there are rich and poor in all age groups. However, anyone on state pension alone has a considerably lower income than someone who works 40 hours a week on minimum wage. The British state pension is an absolute disgrace. It is probably by far the lowest in the developed Western world. Even some so-called third world countries have higher (comparative) pensions than Britain.

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The age discount used to start at 60 (the membership card shows on it at renewal)
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hmmmmm, on page 24 of the Siteseeker book , printed for 2023 ,it still states from age 60.

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22/1/2024 at 10:08pm
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from memory (I could be wrong) it’s during the week at low season
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no , its low and mid season, and all days of the week,

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 22/1/2024

There are always exceptions though. There are young people in my street driving brand new cars and pensioners like myself driving a 16 year old car towing a 32 year old caravan. It is probably true that many 80 grand motorhomes are driven by older people, but maybe the younger ones simply don't want that kind of holiday. They prefer to fly to the US or the far east. It is impossible to generalise. Not all pensioners are well off, far from it, nor are all younger people poor.

In any case, I have found that often we can find commercial sites cheaper than club sites, even with our pensioners' discount.





Your right Colin there always is so why not give the midweek out of season discount to everyone, and those with pre school aged kids can also benefit, I’m
Sure many young families are struggling just as much if not more than some pensioners.

Bessie



I'd have no problem with that but I'm not sure how much that would benefit many young families, as a lot of them can't go mid-week as they are working. I'm judging by my own family, I have two daughters and a son, and I also have two granddaughters who have pre-school kids. None of them are well off.

Wealth and poverty aren't really age related, there are rich and poor in all age groups. However, anyone on state pension alone has a considerably lower income than someone who works 40 hours a week on minimum wage. The British state pension is an absolute disgrace. It is probably by far the lowest in the developed Western world. Even some so-called third world countries have higher (comparative) pensions than Britain.



G winger says that the discount is in
Low and mid season, to me that is June and September, which is usually far better weather than august, if the discount is applied to all members plenty of people without kids could also benefit from these prices which in turn can push the clubs revenue up.

The Uk is ranked 16 out of 30 in pensions, but is still above the fresh hold for the cost of living (only just) Spain being ranked top at almost 4 times the cost of living but that’s the maximum you can get based on salary in your working life and a minimum of 37 years paying in, no 2 is Belgium where you have to work for 45 years, were currently working to 67 now and our kids will be working in their 70’s can you imagine what age we’d have to work to to get the same pension as Spain it would equate to £38500 per year per person, we’d be skint within a year.

Bessie






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the CCC ACR,"or age concession rate" gives members over age of 60 , a 25% reduction of pitch fees, but not in high season.
but the latest offers announced last week give more discounts, and some of those include high season ,but they only apply to certain sites, at certain
times, on certain pitches,


What a stupid concept, why from the age of 60 do you get a discount these should be open to everybody for the same times and dates regardless of age.
It�s funny because every time I go on a campsite it�s always people aged 60+ Ghat are driving round in 80 grand motorhomes the younger people with families Are usually in older caravans.

Bessie




Looking at the member section of the website, there is also a discount at certain times of the year for families, another for midweek camping and another for grass only pitches. So, perhaps not quite as stupid a concept, but one designed somewhat to suit different groups of members. Not sure of the final details of those offers as I have never bothered to study them. The only one of interest to me is the acr.


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Quote: Originally posted by bessie500 on 22/1/2024




What a stupid concept, why from the age of 60 do you get a discount these should be open to everybody for the same times and dates regardless of age.
It’s funny because every time I go on a campsite it’s always people aged 60+ Ghat are driving round in 80 grand motorhomes the younger people with families Are usually in older caravans.

Bessie





We are over sixty and not sure why you think every one over sixty is wealthy? We certainly do not have a 80k motor home etc so we appreciate any age related discounts from anyone not just a campsite.



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