Quote: Originally posted by Doghouse1 on 08/9/2008
As far as I'm concerned it's a question of how safe dogs are to travel in trailers. Proper dog trailers are specifically built for the pupose of transporting dogs and are built with the dogs safety in mind, caravans are not. A caravan is basically a thin aluminium skin over a wooden frame and it doesn't take much of a bump to do a lot of damage. My dogs are part of my family and I would never show such a blatant disregard for their safety as letting them travel in a caravan where in the event of an accident they wouldn't stand much of a chance.
Very emotive and pretty nonsensical, have you seen the construction of the majority of dog trailers? !?!?
Actually you’ve got me on this one, our dog is 10 stone, when its moving she jumps around in the van all of time, I leave the roof light open for venting (the windows if it gets stuffy) and the gas fire on to keep her warm. I leave all the cupboard doors open so she can eat what she wants and as for drinking water, well I just leave the shower running on cold . I find a full 40 litre aquaroll reducing during the journey over the back end makes for an interesting combo. I don’t care because I don’t look in the mirrors to see the van bouncing around and I cant hear her. Sometimes she throws up but it doesn’t matter because the van doesn’t half get mucky after a couple of weeks away.
Is that what you expected me to say?? It looked like it.
The truth is that nothing is further from that, none of our dogs are ever put in unnecessary danger. They are well trained and well mannered. The dog in question travels better in the van than the car. The chances of her having a stress induced illness or episode in the car are significantly higher than her being exclusively injured in a crash.
She adores the van and would live in it on the drive if she had the chance. She is that well conditioned to life in there she doesn’t even jump on the seats.
We let her use it as her travelling kennel. That’s kind and reasonable dog management. Furthermore it doesn’t breach any rules regulations or guidance. In fact it may avoid breaches such as having her distracting the driver.
I personally would never tell anyone they had a blatant disregard for their animals safety before being aware of these facts. That’s pious. But hey that’s your prerogative.
Quote: Originally posted by generalhawk on 07/9/2008Im not aware of any specific laws, but you could be be breaking the general law about putting an animal at risk. My daughter is involved with animal welfare and I will ask her and post again later
Why would you be putting animals at risk?
Because anything moving , solid or liquid has to obey Newtons 3rd Law. Animals in cars or caravans are no exception.
Tow vehicle Braking will throw them forwards,Acceleration backwards,Left hand bends throw them right and right hand bends left.
"She WILL however travel in the van with no problems.""
How on earth do you know that - travel with it do you?
I don't need to.
Travelling in the car = one extremely stressed dog. High heart rate, constant barking, panting and trying to jump all over the vehicle.
Travelling in the van = A completely calm dog, who when checked on with REGULAR stops, is lying asleep in her bed completely at peace with the world.
I have owned dogs for the past 20 years. My vet who SPECIALISES in dogs agrees this is the solution. Continuing to stress the dog to the degree she achieves when she is in the car is very detrimental to her health, and why should she be kenneled and separated from the two others for the sake of a few hours journey?
To be honest, some on here cannot see the wood for the trees, and make alot of assumptions about my dog and how she is cared for.
Incidently, in 20 years we have NEVER had an accident with the van, I HAVE however seen numerous in my occupation involving cars with dogs in the rear.
Hookup, exactly correct, now lets see, the load area of my nissan terrano, devoid of all objects except two other dogs, I go left...........
Oh youve said it already!!! and in your words the conclusion is no difference between car and van therefore I repeat the question why would you be putting them at risk ?
Mind you she may be even happier when we get the coachman, its so much more now than the bailey
No way would I even think about putting any animal in my caravan whilst towing. How often would you have to stop and check it was OK on a 200/400 mile journey? poor thing would probably vomit with the unpleasant ride. How cruel.
Quote: Originally posted by Vectratot on 08/9/2008No way would I even think about putting any animal in my caravan whilst towing.How often would you have to stop and check it was OK on a 200/400 mile journey? poor thing would probably vomit with the unpleasant ride. How cruel.
Why not put her in the van? especially when it works for the dog as can be judged by the buoyant rested, up for it come on attitude at the end of a trip.
Have you actually read the last few posts? I suspect not but if you did it would balance your emotional delusion.
For your info we would stop as many times with the dog in the back of the van as in the car. It would probably be cruel to do so more often because it would disturb her.
You’ve got a very good point about vomiting, unfortunately for your off target reasoning car, travel induces vomiting at the same rate for all three (aged 6 to 14) as it always has done……none, that’s zero, zilch not ever.
Now that’s done and you’ve read the previous posts please explain over and beyond knee jerk “my dogs my child” reasoning why it is cruel?
A quick question for all.
You have 4 options you can use to deal with a dog who absolutley adores caravaning (she's having a nice weekend in the Scottish borders this weekend), walking (she's done more of the Clevland way than a cleveland way guide!)etc but hates travelling in cars. She has had every medical and quack treatment tried out on her.
Your options are:
Separate her from her two life long companions and put her uneccesarily in a kennel on her own when you go away in the van.That would have been for a total in excess of 4 weeks so far this year and increasing by the week.
Make her travel at a high level of uncontrollable distress in the car.
Let her travel, lawfully and safely in the van, which short of being able to write to the Times or Guardian about she displays every symptom of loving.
Pack in caravaning and holidaying in general until she dies.
Honest answers only please. Bit of a no brainer really isnt it when youve got the problem and it has to be sorted.
Its a shame a sensible question that kicked off a thread has brought all of the holier than thou theorists out of the woodwork.
my wife towed me and the dogs tonight round our estate for 1/2 hour tonight in our van dogs settleld down on floor most comfatable ride iv ever had infact sod the dogs il go in van
I wouldn't put my dog to travel in the caravan. She would be beside herself if she was on her own. She'd probably be happy enough if I was in there with her, but that's illegal.
If it's not good enough for me, it's not good enough for her. Also, as she is epileptic, I couldn't risk her being in there alone as she could seriously hurt herself if she had a fit.
If some of you are happy to put your dogs in a caravan, then that's up to you, but don't expect the blessing of us all. You simply won't get it.
Excellent comment by Steve above.
As for 'expecting the blessing of others'?? LOL
Again, you have not read the posts and are stuck in piousness.
It IS horses for courses. The van suits ONE dog of our three and she travels in a small partitioned area, so she cannot rattle around. She is a Yorkie, so no weight issues. The other two travel in the car with no problems.
I wouldn't DREAM of telling you what's best for your dog, when you finally get off your soap box and smell the coffee, you'll see that a highly specialised vet also agreed with her mode of travel. But then again, you'll know better won't you?
You're completely missing the point. I never at any point asked for agreement, it's right for that particular dog and that's it.
The fact remains that it is legal for dogs to travel in the van, which was the original post. I replied to it stating one of ours does regularly and why. That is when the 'holier than tho' brigade surfaced yet again, criticising actions that are well thought out and endorsed by a vet.Whether you or anyone else agrees with the vet or me is irrelevant, I just wish people would answer the original post and stop spouting sermons.
I have been following this thread with interest, I have my views but I won't put fuel to fire.
I think if you ask a question such as this then I think you should expect a big debate, if the poster didn't want it discucssed then they should have asked elswhere i.e police, RSPCA. I think the orignal poster seemed happy with the answers because he said he would change the car to an estate.
This is a forum and thats what people do, discuss things.
Most people on this thread are just discussing what they do with their dogs and giving the reasons why. It doesn't make them 'holier than tho' and it doesn't mean they're spouting sermons.
If you're not looking for agreement and you are happy with your (and your vet's) decision, then why are you still banging on about it?
Some people have dogs that would become very stressed out being in a caravan on their own. No vet would advocate putting them in a situation which would make them ill. It is just as legal for them to be harnessed in the car.
This is a message forum, where people leave messages about their experiences. All of them are valid, some respond to the original poster and some to what has developed during the thread.
I personally know of someone that used to take her caravan to dog shows with her showdogs travelling in cages in the caravan, yes they travelled fine but then there was an accident and a car hit the caravan and damaged it badly, the result was some very very distressed dogs were got out of the van, luckily none were seriously hurt but for me whether it is legal to do so or not I would not travel with my dogs in the van, I do have some sympathy for the person whose dog gets very distressed in the car, I have one like that and she has to be sedated to travel but still I could not bring myself to leave her in the van whilst towing.