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Subject Topic: Is Caravan Club child friendly?
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27/4/2011 at 9:35am
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I don't believe site wardens dislike children full stop but sadly a large handful of parents don't care about their offspring and what they do and this only goes to damage the site wardens views of families.

Its no better if you don't stay with kids. We have stayed at Wirral Country Park several times but the first time was anything but warm welcome. We were treated with the distasteful looks from the warden who clearly interpreted the young couple in front of them with an old caravan, sport model saloon and bikes to mean a weekend of complaints from fellow campers as our drunken and loud behaviour would upset them. The looks from fellow campers were just as bad.
Having pitched next to people like that I can quite understand their fears. However we are nothing like that image and the weekend passed with us getting on well with those around us one of whom actually said they were worried we would be noisy and troublemakers but we had turned out to be anything but.

Needless to say since that first stay we have never had any more problems and the wardens have been friendly. So maybe it is the minority of bad ones who tarnish the image of us all and not that wardens just hate everyone if they are families or young couples.

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quite true.

also the same old bug keeps raising its head FOOTBALLS ! why do we have to all be football fans they in the main are just a cause of conflict and damage. everyone thinks they are Beckham. ok for small children. they are entitled to dream and have fun at play.   but its the 18stone rotund darlings that get me. you can have hundreds of acres and they have to try and be clever with their non existant ball control next to property and flower beds etc etc.

and its us who are wrong to tell them to sod off !

I wont allow a footabll or hard cricket/rounders ball in or near my unit. not precious about it just hacked off with the constant  "bang/boom followed by a pathetic Sorry!"

as for the frisby chucked full strength 20ft high for a one legged. one armed. larger lout, bedecked in football shirt and jogger shorts to waddle to catch GRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!



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27/4/2011 at 9:50am
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Morning, sorry I can't stay up as late as you Viggo. Its not so much other sites are doing anything much different to the club sites, its primarily you have to be off by 12 (I know if you ask, the Warden can use their discrestion but envariably I have been made to feel awkward when asking, and it makes it difficult to make any real plans on the Sunday). Also dare I bring up the subject of pitching next to friends. Over the years we've used the caravan to meet up with friends, often arriving from totally opposite directions. Both with familys, we can't leave home before end of school, so arriving on site often after the pitches best suited to families have gone, and the chances of pitching together are slim to say the least. The clubs' rules in effect discriminate against families, favouring those who don't work and without school children; in some walks of life this would be perceived to be age discrimination which is unlawful. Of course in most cases of discrimination, it is often only the victim who feels it, others often don't understand. A bit heavy sorry. Dan (By the way, please don't take me for a moaner; I love my van and what it provides for our family)

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27/4/2011 at 12:14pm
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Dan, its not much better for those of us without kids who work during the week and want to get away for a relaxing weekend. As we cannot get away until after work we always end up on the smallest and most grotty pitch tucked up in a corner, usually where the gangs congregate or squashed between two families who see your pitch as an extension to theirs.

I find wherever you go it favours the retired people first, then families and couples. The fact the C&CC don't let you book one night at weekends winds me up even more as there is often no availability on either the friday or sunday but you cannot book the saturday stuck in between.

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27/4/2011 at 12:17pm
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The trick to staying late on Sunday is to ask about it on Saturday. Wardens only have a problem if the site is set to be busy with incoming units on Sunday/Monday, and they'll know the state of play with bookings etc by Saturday lunch. Even at the height of the season many sites lose a third to half of vans on a Sunday morning, and don't get busy again until the middle of the week. In my experience, on about 75% of sites it is not a problem to stay until late afternoon on a Sunday, most of the year round.

You say you feel discriminated against because you can't arrive until late on a Friday. I don't think you are. You are disadvantaged, yes, but not by the Club, only by your own circumstances, and that's the same for everyone.

As I wrote earlier, there are temporary campsites and rallies run by the clubs throughout the year where you are much more likely to be able to arrive late, get a couple of pitches side-by-side and stay late on the Sunday. A call to the on-site organiser may even unofficially reserve you a couple of spots. Have you tried them? If not, why not?

Both Clubs are member-led organisations, not commercial operations. If they aren't providing what you want you can get involved at a local or regional level and help organise something that does cater for you and your friends' needs. The clubs will help you do this, and be happy to do it. That's why they were set up in the first place.

I won't call you a moaner, Dan - I understand what you're saying, and I can see that it is a nuisance - but what I don't understand is why you think its the clubs' fault. Do you have any suggestions about how they could do things differently that would help families and not unduly disadvantage other members?

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27/4/2011 at 1:04pm
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My experience of the caravan club was in 1990 at Elvaston caslte near Derby. We stayed there  in the May half term hoildays, my 2 sons were 3 and 5, it was hot and dry and they were rising their bike with stabilisers and trike on unoccupied grass pitches. The warden asked me not to let them ride on the grass as it would damage the pitches, I asked where they could ride their bikes and he replied on the tarmac road on the site, in my opinion, not satisfactory. During the same week, an oap radio ham had a petrol generator outside his van making a noise and belching out fumes all evening, when I mentioned it to the warden the next day, his reply was if it was a problem, why didn't you complain, it wasn't a problem for me as my van was a fair distance away. From that experience, I deduced that the caravan club was run by retired couples for retired couples, faimiles subscriptions were welcome but families were not. I voted with my feet and didn't renew my membership. But, as my children have now grown up and left home, it's just me & my wife, perhaps we should buy a luxury 2 berth (gin palace) van and rejoin the caravan club.



27/4/2011 at 1:28pm
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RK1234 - that's like saying "Two decades ago I went to a hotel and I didn't like the attitude of the manager, therefore all hotels are rubbish". It doesn't make sense.

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27/4/2011 at 1:49pm
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"grotty pitch"...."gangs congregating".....

are we still on CC sites ?

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27/4/2011 at 2:56pm
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Try the smallest, muddiest grass pitch with overhanging trees, wedged between a busy road and the chemical disposal point and you will have the idea. Yes this is a CC site I stayed at and won't be returning.

As for gangs there were also a group of 6 teenagers who spent best part of the stay sat behind our caravan pulling out the EHU. Maybe they were bored as the facilities for them were lacking but I don't call it fun. We complained as did others but the family were still there when we left. Why on earth they booked the site is beyond me, maybe it was all that was available.

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27/4/2011 at 3:34pm
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Dare I mention the CC booking system? Now that really was skewed towards the retired. The alterations they made for this year helped me (a working mum) enormously.

I agree with a lot of what Dan The Man says. It would be ideal if we could take the kids out of school Friday pm and leave at lunchtime - no can do. It would be equally ideal if we could go away outside of school holidays - also, no can do (others choose to, that's their choice). So it's not always possible to get your ideal pitch, for those of us with kids and equally for those without. But if you're retired, you can do what you like when you like. Boy, am I looking forward to it!! 



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27/4/2011 at 4:13pm
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I agree with a lot of what Dan The Man says. It would be ideal if we could take the kids out of school Friday pm and leave at lunchtime - no can do. It would be equally ideal if we could go away outside of school holidays - also, no can do (others choose to, that's their choice). So it's not always possible to get your ideal pitch, for those of us with kids and equally for those without. But if you're retired, you can do what you like when you like. Boy, am I looking forward to it

not always the way,many grandparents look after there grandchildren each day as we do.we are both retired but because the adults are working we do the school runs and feeding,football,karate,swimming,caravan holidays.we can only go away school holidays.its a 9 to 6 job.but we like it keeps you fit.



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Quote: Originally posted by michael on 27/4/2011

not always the way,many grandparents look after there grandchildren each day as we do.we are both retired but because the adults are working we do the school runs and feeding,football,karate,swimming,caravan holidays.we can only go away school holidays.its a 9 to 6 job.but we like it keeps you fit.


Wow, lucky kiddywinks - and lucky parents to have you to do it. I hope they are very very grateful.

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It's all speculative.

They are not child friendly if being child friendly means they must have a club house and allow loud music all night with children running around making a nuisance of themselves.

If being child friendly means there is an area where children can play with parental supervision then yes they are child friendly.

They have a duty to cater for all members, including the ones that do and do not have children. This is always going to be a compromise. Unlike some commercial sites, the club sites will not tolerate unsupervised children running wild and hurling obsceneties at other guests. Most parents would not allow their children to do this anyway.



27/4/2011 at 7:03pm
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Regarding the rule about being on/off by noon I think it's very fair, we we're at a C&CC site this weekend and at about 12.30 there was a queue of 3 people arriving and someone who clearly disagrees with the noon rule was on their way out late. Needless to say it caused chaos trying to get this guys car & caravan around the 3 queued up.

The warden just shook his head and said "this is why we have the 'leave by noon' rule".

Many sites also have narrow approach roads and two caravans simply wouldn't be able to pass each other.

 



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Quote: Originally posted by Viggo on 27/4/2011
RK1234 - that's like saying "Two decades ago I went to a hotel and I didn't like the attitude of the manager, therefore all hotels are rubbish". It doesn't make sense.

Viggo - it does make sense to me, it's called having principles and sticking to them.

Like the main car dealer who pulled a fast one on me 20 years ago over a price he incorrectly quoted, I haven't yet returned to that dealer and will certainly not drive that make of car. 5 new company cars and 2 new private cars plus 450,000 miles worth of servicing later, I am quite happy to take my business elsewhere.



27/4/2011 at 11:58pm
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I can understand boycotting a car dealer who tried to trick you - it was his business, his fault. But the make of car?! The car manufacturer had nothing to do with it, just as the Caravan Club had nothing to do with the actions (or inactions) of that one site warden.

It's your choice, of course, but that old saying about cutting off your nose to spite your face comes to mind. In other words, your boycott of the CC has harmed no-one except yourself.

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