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Subject Topic: Loved up teens - Awning or tent??
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15/7/2012 at 9:54pm
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I think there a few people here who need to remember that we are now in the 21st Century, and not the 19th!!
Morals and morales have changed.


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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 15/7/2012
I think there a few people here who need to remember that we are now in the 21st Century, and not the 19th!!
Morals and morales have changed.


I agree. These days, if they are in a loving committed relationship I am happy. We have been married for 30 years and my parents wouldn't have allowed it at all. My OH slept in the awning when he came away but things are so different now. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 15/7/2012
I think there a few people here who need to remember that we are now in the 21st Century, and not the 19th!!
Morals and morales have changed.



Living, as we do, in the urinal that we (laughingly) call 'Great' Britain, how on earth *could* anyone forget that we are 'living in the 21st entury?!

It's a truism that the unspeakable becomes debatable, and then becomes acceptable, and, finally, becomes 'normal'...

Anyone with young children, or grandchildren, will be (or should be!) only too aware of the way in which this maxim is being ruthlessly promulgated in our schools.

The libertines will never change my mind, or the minds of those who share 'old fashioned' values - they know that, and so their focus is on the minds of our children.

Thus, they teach them that perverson is normal, that morality is simply a matter of personal choice, and that the only important thing in life is to pursue happiness via 'valid lifetstyle choices'

It has to be said, they do their work extremely well.



15/7/2012 at 11:56pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Oldfolder on 15/7/2012
Living, as we do, in the urinal that we (laughingly) call 'Great' Britain, how on earth *could* anyone forget that we are 'living in the 21st entury?!


You obviously have a much lower opinion of this country than I do then, because I don't see it in such an derogatory or insulting way!

Quote: It's a truism that the unspeakable becomes debatable, and then becomes acceptable, and, finally, becomes 'normal'...


What "goes on" now is little different to what happened 20 years ago or even 100 years ago. Teen agers have indulged since time in memorial. It's just that now it isn't hidden away.

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Anyone with young children, or grandchildren, will be (or should be!) only too aware of the way in which this maxim is being ruthlessly promulgated in our schools.


I have three children and two grandchildren, thank you. None of my children are married, all live with their partners, and have been treated as adults since they were 17. They all know how to behave IN ALL ways.

Quote: The libertines will never change my mind, or the minds of those who share 'old fashioned' values - they know that, and so their focus is on the minds of our children.


How insulting!

Quote: Thus, they teach them that perverson is normal, that morality is simply a matter of personal choice, and that the only important thing in life is to pursue happiness via 'valid lifetstyle choices'

It has to be said, they do their work extremely well.


Again how insulting! If procreation is a perversion then the human race is doomed.


16/7/2012 at 12:07am
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And to add, schools are NOT promulgating anything of the kind.


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Quote: Originally posted by alan29 on 12/7/2012
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thank you LlaniDavis saved my keyboard a rant. what utter nonsense and Victorian moralistic tripe from the above poster.



16/7/2012 at 10:03am
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The poster only asked about sleeping arrangements, not the morals on it, wether you agree or disagree on teens having sex is irrelevant, they just asked advice.The Poster is wanting to make sure they are safe, she knows they have sex, so it's better to be in a safe environment than sneaking away for a quickie and possibly putting themselves in a position where they could get caught or be in danger.They sound like they are in a committed loving relationship so what's the harm.


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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 16/7/2012
And to add, schools are NOT promulgating anything of the kind.



On the contrary. The 'sex education' now being inculcated to 8 year old children is a carefull planned programme of indoctrination, intended to make just about *any* form of sexual behaviour appear 'acceptable'

Are you actually aware of what these kids are being taught in sex education classes these days?

Suffice it to say that it's a long, long way from 'birds & bees'.

There are extremely pernicious groups out there who seek to corrupt the nation, and one of their chief methods of attack is via the hearts and minds of children.


16/7/2012 at 11:30am
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Oldfolder,
Yes I am perfectly aware of what is being taught in schools now, and wholeheartedly agree with it. I think it was a great shame that similar wasn't taught to my generation in the late 50's and early 60's, as perhaps that would have solved a lot of the problems we are now seeing of STD's, unwanted pregnancies and failed marriages.

But then I suspect that you probably think I am part of this pernicious group, as none of my three children are married, all are in long term relationships with their partners, and one has given us two lovely and loving grandchildren. Long may they continue.

Murano,
Agreed, and that is what I think those who are being moralistic have missed. If these teenagers are in a long term relationship then they are going to be sleeping together anyway. Better for them to be safe and comfortable than not.

And to be honest, they will actually be more uncomfortable knowing that the parents might hear and know what they are "doing", so won't anyway!

It is often said that the children think that their parents don't have a sex life after they start one!!


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As long as there are teenagers there's going to be sex, always has been that way and always will, we can only guide them on sex and safety, locking kids up and saying no isn't going to stop them, teaching them, that perhaps waiting for the right person is better than bed hopping, but making sure they are safe and have a good sence of self is better. Then trusting them to make the correct decisions for themselves. I met my future husband when we were both 16 we are now 40, so teens do feel love and commitment , people think that teens are all about the sex and don't give them enough credit. Of course you get all sorts who like a good time, but that can be said for a lot of adults I know too.


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It would seem that some people have zero tolerance of things they don't understand.
On the moral stuff, kids learn their morality from what they grow up with, not from any words or rules.


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t would seem that some people have zero tolerance of things they don't understand.


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Or don't WANT to understand!


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Looks to of gone a bit off topic...



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Old fashioned I know. But leave them at home and hope the party doesnt wreck the house. Let them learn camping with some tickets to Glastonbury. Tis a system that worked for my generation with parents that didnt want to be blamed or seem to condone anything at all, and liked decorating.



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