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20/6/2013 at 4:17pm
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Do you argue then that MOT for cars is similarly invalid?


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Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 20/6/2013
Do you argue then that MOT for cars is similarly invalid?



A test certificate relates only to the condition of the components examined at the time of test. It does not confirm the vehicle will remain roadworthy for the validity of the certificate.
So yes I would say MOT's are pretty useless.
For those saying it will never happen I wouldn't be so sure. Our local trailer hire/manufacturer was talking to us about this twelve months ago. Testing could be carried out at HGV test stations and each trailer/caravan has a unique chassis number so enforcement would be easy enough. If it was applied only to caravans/trailers manufactured after a certain date then new documents like a log book could be introduced at the same time, or even chipping them so they could be scanned by a roadside computer.
Retrospective MOT'ing could get tricky as there is no way of telling who owns what at the minute.
The only thing I am sure about is if it is an EU idea and ruling then the UK will adopt it in it's most extreme form and pass the cost on to the taxpayer while the rest of Europe ignores it.


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I guess when you or a member of your family gets hit by a car that has totally worn out brakes, imagine they needed replacing three years ago, but hey, it doesn't need to pass a test so why bother?, you'll maybe think that passing an MOT may have prevented this?

Sections of the test force the owner to replace parts that would make the vehicle extremely dangerous if they weren't fixed. At least with the MOT system, the maximum length of time these dangerous cars can be on the road is 365 days. Which yeah, still isn't perfect, but the carnage on the roads without the MOT system doesn't bear thinking about.

Caravan MOT fine by me. Those who store on site for 12 months a year, no need, cars don't need to be have an MOT or tax if off the road, so why should a caravan?

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Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 20/6/2013
Do you argue then that MOT for cars is similarly invalid?



A car travels under its own power and has many moving wear and tear parts plus it is not towed.


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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 20/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by bobsbabes on 19/6/2013I think it makes sense to mot caravans so won't be signing



Please explain why you think this as only .06% of accidents involve a caravan? Statistics do not show how many of these were due to poor maintenance.
Plus how will a MOT prevent speeding (the most common cause), overloading or badly loaded outfits on the road. BTW cracked tyre sidewalls is not a MOT failure.
Caravan MOT station will not be a common sight like those for vehicles and you may be required to travel quite some distance to the nearest caravan MOT test station as they may only be locate din large cities. More than likely you will need to leave your pride and joy there overnight or for several days in a storage compound that may or may not have CCTV. Would you be happy with that?
Not many dealers will be investing in the equipment due to recouping their outlay which will take many years. EU rules specifically states that a MOT test station should have no interest in repairs in order to avoid conflict. This will make it even more difficult for someone to invest in the equipment which may or may not be booked full 6 days a week. On many days they may not have any one in for a MOT test.



Do you do MOTs then as I have always Been Lead to believe that cracks in the wall of the tyre is a fail , defective tyre.


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Led to believe it depends on the depth and length of the crack as to whether it fails it's MOT

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what a load of crap.testing caravans at hgv testing stations. takes us approx 6 weeks to get booking to a test for a truck or artic because vosa is trying to privatise this as well.


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I think testing is a good idea, so no signature from me. It doesn't particularly matter which trailers are included, it has to be a step in the right direction.

Jim


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I think it should be a normal car garage that can do the MOT.
Lots of garages aren't as busy as they use to so it will help them too.
I am sure there are lots of caravaners that don't realise that a caravan needs to be maintained the same as a car, plus standing to months at a time is not good for bearings, tyres or brakes so all worth being checked.
Plus structural parts, if the van is rotten it could become unsafe too and the body could lift off the chasis.


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Quote: Originally posted by tango55 on 20/6/2013
But if all touring caravans have to get registered then what about folk like you Jeff that keep their caravan on site in storage and never go out on the road? That means everybody that owns a touring caravan will face the MOT check disregards where it's kept.



That would be easy Trev,all they would have to do is SORN the caravan like a car giving its details.



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At the end of the day there are a lot of Heaps out there weve all seen on sites and thought how the hell is that thing allowed on the road..

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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 20/6/2013
At the end of the day there are a lot of Heaps out there weve all seen on sites and thought how the hell is that thing allowed on the road..



I've got one but is staying on site untill the end of the season then I will be sorting it before I tow it.
But it would not pass a mot as it is.


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What exactly would be carried out with an MOT test?
there is no co2 omission, no brakes, no horn, steering, suspension, headlight alignment......etc.
True we all have a responsibility to maintain the upkeep of our vans, but this is carried out by servicing, how many back street garages employ adequately trained personnel to test a caravan?
As posted above if the EU want it doing our government bend over backwards to stipulate it, as long as they can make money from it, which at the end of the day is all that this is about, what's next.....road tax?

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Quote: Originally posted by Alphonso De Lard on 20/6/2013
I guess when you or a member of your family gets hit by a car that has totally worn out brakes, imagine they needed replacing three years ago, but hey, it doesn't need to pass a test so why bother?, you'll maybe think that passing an MOT may have prevented this?



I see a lot of cars under three years old with defective lights that are not subject to an MOT. If the owners cannot be bothered to maintain something as simple as a bulb then what other defects do their cars have? You cannot rely on a service schedule to be an indication of a roadworthy car either. With an MOT it is one persons opinion of wether a certain component meets the guideline. Yes they can test brakes and wiggle the steering and suspension but it is a visual check on the condition of the things that matter like the bodywork it is all bolted to and the brake lines. Even then it is only what they can see, not what might be under a layer of dried on road dirt.
Personally I don't think MOTing caravans will do anything to improve safety, if they bring it in for caravans over three years old like the cars then from the posts I have seen on here most three year old vans will be a pile of crumbling damp which probably wouldn't be testable anyway.
A far better way would be to increase check points on services and more roadside patrols to spot dangerous outfits and increase penalties for defects. If people think there is a chance they will get stopped and hit in the pocket then they are more likely to maintain their vehicles better.



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How it works in Germany I think, is that caravans are serviced & Mot'eed every 2yrs. Any caravan workshop could become an Mot station, the Mot could just be part of the service. All Mot'ing caravans would do would be to ensure they at least had some periodic mechanical attention. Every 2yrs would probably be sufficient. A caravan Mot would be no big deal, just a certificate to state normal service items brakes/lights/coupling/tyres were up to standard at time of test.

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Then its more just compulsory servicing.

With regard to MOTs, it says on the certificate that it is not a certificate of roadworthyness.

I had one car pass its MOT, then the very next day, on the way to see a friend burst a flexi brake pipe, the pipe itself looked in good condition, so passed, it came away from its union.
The same car a week later needed new brake pads on the front, had worn down to the metal. I queried this with the MOT station (as it was also my parts supplier at the time) the answer was simple, I had steel wheels, with trims, and they couldn't see the outer pad, they are not allowed to remove anything, so presumed pass, this is still the same.

The only things really to test on a van would be wheel bearings, tyres, brakes, lights, overall chassis condition and overall van conditions.

seeing as a car MOT only takes 30 mins, a caravan one should be what 15 mins??

A normal car garage would struggle, as would HGV depots, they are all designed for vehicles/trailers that will stand on their own & straddle a pit or lift, also, specialist equipment would need to be designed to hold the caravan still safely and apply the over-run brakes for a brake efficiency test, unless they decide just to test this on the handbrake mechanism.

I'd still be against this if it only included Caravans, I currently do my own servicing, all my service costs me is any parts required, and a few beers to a mate to check the gas system for leaks.
would trailer tents/folding campers come under the same rulings, some of the larger FCs are simply caravan chassis underneath.



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