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13/9/2013 at 1:02pm
 Location: Lancaster
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Jerking side to side, twisting side to side, or jerking front to back??

PS Hope service is a breeze...



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Caravanning for 22 years
1997 Toyota Land Cruiser 3.0TD & 2004 Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
Previous towcars:
2002 Nissan Primera - sold
2002 Ford Galaxy - Died & scrapped. Good riddance.
1998 BMW 525TDS SE - PEx
1998 VW Passat SE - Crashed into & scrapped
1997 Peugeot 406 GLX - PEx


13/9/2013 at 1:05pm
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 09/9/2013
To be honest im a bit scared to get it serviced as it might come up with something serious and we definitely don't have the funds now for anything expensive. It was also a private sale so I presume there would be no comebacks. It was advertised on ebay and I do still have the description. Apparently it belonged to his wife's parents who were upgrading due to retirement. When we went to pick the caravan up there was another one in his garden. He said that one belonged to his parents. When I looked on e-bay, there it was and guess what, It belonged to his parents who were upgrading due to retirement. Feel a bit stupid now


That strongly indicates that they are dealing in caravans. Try and find out how many caravans they have sold over the year. To misrepresent oneself as an individual when you are trading is a serious criminal offence and TS would be very interested. They do this to avoid SOGA.
We got caught the same way and reported it to TS who then took action. By a strange twist it turned out the person was also claiming benefits and got nailed by TS, benefits agency and HMRC.


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13/9/2013 at 2:09pm
 Location: Derbyshire
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Chris, it is jerking front to back, not violently but noticeably.

Ian, I do know the person we bought the caravan off has sold 4 this year that we know of.


13/9/2013 at 2:45pm
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 13/9/2013
Chris, it is jerking front to back, not violently but noticeably.
Ian, I do know the person we bought the caravan off has sold 4 this year that we know of.


Then they are a trader posing as an individual. Notify eBay firstly and secondly TS via your local Citizens Advice Bureau as they are trying to avoid their obligations under Sale of Goods Act as they would be liable for repaiirng the damp issue.
Having been caught in the same scenario, I get a bit riled when I read stories like this where consumers are misled. I am hoping that there are no other issues with the caravan.


13/9/2013 at 6:50pm
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The movement you feel in the car could be due to to higher or low nose weight, or too much weight at back of van. Or, it may be nothing at all, have you towed a caravan before? I hadnt and thought the same when I first had mine under two, I noticed every twitch, noise etc but realised it was all ok, just me not used to it.

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14/9/2013 at 8:51am
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 13/9/2013
Caravan has gone for its service today, fingers crossed.

I forgot to mention, along with my many questions and concerns, when we are towing it feels like the car is jerking slightly, that's the only way I can think of describing it. The car is definitely ok to pull the caravan, I checked with the caravan club.

Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this.



If the caravan was empty, it is to be expected so nothing to worry about.


14/9/2013 at 8:55am
 Location: Lancaster
 Outfit: Landcruiser & Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 13/9/2013
Chris, it is jerking front to back, not violently but noticeably.   



Cant comment on the Trader issue; as mentioned, Citizens Advice best place to start.
As for pitching forward and back, I would just check the noseweight scenario, just to be sure.
The car will have a limit; the caravan will have a tested recommendation.
The weights are not huge; a simple check can be done, requiring the following:
A set of bathroom scales
A piece of wood, fairly thick, to prevent bending the scale top
A length of wood, log enough to go from hitch to scale top, that wont bend.
Just place wood onto scale, reset scale or note reading, then place the strip under the hitch. Use the jockey wheel to raise front slightly, then lower the caravan down until all the hitch load is on the scales.
Another way is to put front steadys down, lift jockey wheel up, and place scales with wood on under jockey wheel. Then lower jockey wheel till it imparts load onto the scales and just lifts the front steadies of the ground (keep the back ones raised). Its a bit safer than the piece of wood under the hitch method, and the weight reading will still be near enough, its only slightly closer to the axle fulcrum.
Then note the amount the caravan imparts in kg and compare that to your towcar ability.
My caravan weighs in at about 75kg when its full & loaded properly; this is the recommended amount in Avondale manual from memory.
The car is rated for 130kg noseweight, so its well above.

When towing trailers of any type, they do cause an amount of pitching forward to back, but you will get used to it. Provided the car & caravan/ trailer are well matched and the combination is riding level, not pitched into the middle of each other, you are spot on balanced.

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Caravanning for 22 years
1997 Toyota Land Cruiser 3.0TD & 2004 Avondale Mayfair 510-5L
Previous towcars:
2002 Nissan Primera - sold
2002 Ford Galaxy - Died & scrapped. Good riddance.
1998 BMW 525TDS SE - PEx
1998 VW Passat SE - Crashed into & scrapped
1997 Peugeot 406 GLX - PEx


14/9/2013 at 6:50pm
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Thank you, I suppose im just worrying unnecessarily but as we hadn't towed before we didn't know what to expect.

The service has been done and we just needed some Wheel bearings. It had a small bit of damp around one of the windows but we already knew about that and its been sorted. I am so relieved.


14/9/2013 at 9:19pm
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Fantastic news; that must be a relief!!!
You planning first trip in the tin tent now?
Sure you will be fine; make up a kit list, or a great one is online from the Camping and Caravanning Club site; slightly different stuff to take than a tent holiday...



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2002 Nissan Primera - sold
2002 Ford Galaxy - Died & scrapped. Good riddance.
1998 BMW 525TDS SE - PEx
1998 VW Passat SE - Crashed into & scrapped
1997 Peugeot 406 GLX - PEx


15/9/2013 at 9:49am
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 14/9/2013
Thank you, I suppose im just worrying unnecessarily but as we hadn't towed before we didn't know what to expect.

The service has been done and we just needed some Wheel bearings. It had a small bit of damp around one of the windows but we already knew about that and its been sorted. I am so relieved.



Good news. It may be worth getting the caravan CRIS registered in your name. It costs about £10.


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15/9/2013 at 11:54am
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Thanks Ian, I have already done that, theres not much I haven't thought about


15/9/2013 at 12:36pm
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Quote: Originally posted by allysson on 15/9/2013
Thanks Ian, I have already done that, theres not much I haven't thought about



Brilliant and good move as now you know the caravan has not been nicked. Now get off and enjoy your new acquisition.


15/9/2013 at 4:16pm
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Great news, glad its not as bad as you thought. Enjoy it now.

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15/9/2013 at 4:32pm
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The biggest problem you'll now be facing is where to go !

So many sites, so many places to visit...



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15/9/2013 at 5:36pm
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Well done .
At least now this will give you the confidence to cope and enjoy it . I think the jerking you. Mentioned is normal. I drive all the time my husband never uses the car so when we tow I feel the difference . It's just how it feels You do get used to it after a few miles. If your car and caravan are a good match its fine. Just take care now when loading.
Good luck have fun.


15/9/2013 at 8:26pm
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Thanks everyone, you've helped me so much, I'm sure i'll be back very soon with a lot more questions



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