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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 26/4/2015

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To suggest the three axle weights do not equal the total weight is ridiculous.

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 26/4/2015

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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 26/4/2015To suggest the three axle weights do not equal the total weight is ridiculous.

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Refer back to my previous post. Axle weights, truck loaded then truck empty after cargo discharge are not acceptable as an accurate weight for that cargo. Truck has to be weighed on & off on a full size weighbridge for accurate weight.

Read this from 3.4 down. Axle weighers themselves are not considered completely accurate & adding the results together multiplies the inaccuracies.

A full sized weighbridge can be checked by weights&measures & be considered accurate enough to give actual weight of vehicle which is why only a ticket from full sized weighbridge is acceptable in transport industry for payment for bulk loads.

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 26/4/2015

Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 26/4/2015To suggest the three axle weights do not equal the total weight is ridiculous.

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Refer back to my previous post. Axle weights, truck loaded then truck empty after cargo discharge are not acceptable as an accurate weight for that cargo. Truck has to be weighed on & off on a full size weighbridge for accurate weight.

Read this from 3.4 down. Axle weighers themselves are not considered completely accurate & adding the results together multiplies the inaccuracies.

A full sized weighbridge can be checked by weights&measures & be considered accurate enough to give actual weight of vehicle which is why only a ticket from full sized weighbridge is acceptable in transport industry for payment for bulk loads.

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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 25/4/2015

Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 25/4/2015Life is too short for this crap ..........

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I'm inclined to agree with you!

freeatlast
Your Bailey, like mine and all other caravans, has a maximum loaded weight, which is stated on the chassis registration plate and in the Handbook.

If stopped by an official (police/VOSA) and the weight checked it would be disconnected from your car and would be weighed standing on it's wheels and jockey wheel, and that result checked against the maximum plated weight.

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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 26/4/2015

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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 25/4/2015

Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 25/4/2015Life is too short for this crap ..........

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I'm inclined to agree with you!

freeatlast
Your Bailey, like mine and all other caravans, has a maximum loaded weight, which is stated on the chassis registration plate and in the Handbook.

If stopped by an official (police/VOSA) and the weight checked it would be disconnected from your car and would be weighed standing on it's wheels and jockey wheel, and that result checked against the maximum plated weight.

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So, explain the plate inside my gas bottle locker which states:

recommended noseweight 58kg
MIRO 1036kg
MTPLM 1229kg
Total weight of caravan 1287kg

If I load my caravan with 193kg, the maximum payload, and get stopped and weighed as you suggest above, my caravan will be over its plated weight weighing in at 1287kg.

Are any of you capable of seeing this very obvious problem?

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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 25/4/2015

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Caravan manufacturers do not generally state the nose weight of their 'vans because they are not comparable to those stated by the vehicle manufacturer. For example, my Yeti has an 80kg nose weight limit, but my previous Freelander was 100kg. Both for the same Bailey caravan.

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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 26/4/2015

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So, explain the plate inside my gas bottle locker which states:

recommended noseweight 58kg
MIRO 1036kg
MTPLM 1229kg
Total weight of caravan 1287kg

If I load my caravan with 193kg, the maximum payload, and get stopped and weighed as you suggest above, my caravan will be over its plated weight weighing in at 1287kg.

Are any of you capable of seeing this very obvious problem?

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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 26/4/2015

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Quote: Originally posted by LlaniDavis on 25/4/2015Caravan manufacturers do not generally state the nose weight of their 'vans because they are not comparable to those stated by the vehicle manufacturer. For example, my Yeti has an 80kg nose weight limit, but my previous Freelander was 100kg. Both for the same Bailey caravan.

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No wonder this is so difficult to get over. Clearly you do not understand noseweights.

As you point out your Yeti has an 80kg nose weight LIMIT. This does not mean that you have to load the towbar to that limit as you suggest, but it is the maximum you can place on the towball.

Each caravan, however, will have a specific noseweight that gives the caravan its best stability. A rough rule of thumb is around 7%. However, most manufacturers do have a recommended noseweight for each model, based, presumably, on stability tests undertaken during initial design. Bailey certainly do though they do not put it in their publicity, just email them to find yours.

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Quote: Originally posted by Motobiman on 26/4/2015Maybe if the DfT, EU, industry and clubs could get their acts together it would be clearer and easier to understand.

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My Knaus manual, 1500kg MTPLM van says.

Noseweight 'at least 25kgs!'

Not exactly 7percent.

I have it at 4.5 percent and it handles fine.

Maybe if there was a minimum noseweight quoted, non-technical people could get their heads around it better?

It's UP TO, not a target.

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