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Subject Topic: Banning of diesel usage.
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01/5/2015 at 10:42am
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Ive noticed that a lot of cars being sold these days are small petrol engines with a turbo.From vauxhall for example they do the Mocca with a 14cc engine with a turbo.

This is for you paying less road tax as well as cutting down on pollutants.I dont think in my life time i will see diesel cars or trucks being replaced with water or any other form of fuel that powers an engine.

I think any government who is in power here have the knack to make us feel guilty about pollutants from cars and the effect on the planet.

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Nothing like bringing a post back from the dead.

anyway I'll add "my two cents" to this post.

I've recently bought a new diesel C4 and it costs me exactly £0 for the road TAX, that's right ZERO.

So somehow I catn see diesel engines disappearing any time soon.


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01/5/2015 at 1:05pm
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I must admit, I can't see the diesel engine being replaced any time soon, and probably not in my lifetime. There are far too many things that rely on diesel power.

I can however see more and more hydrogen-powered vehicles appearing before long. I think this a far more viable option than electric, unless we are prepared to completely change the way we use our cars. The main problem with totally electric cars being range, and the time it takes to re-charge them. Although things have changed quite dramatically on that score, they still can't compare with the unlimited range of a petrol or diesel powered vehicle, or with the fact that it only takes them minutes to re-fuel.

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As more and more cars fall into the no or very low tax brackets, it must be a matter of time until whichever bunch get elected put road tax up to increase revenue.

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some guy invented a motor that ran on manure years ago,and got bought out by a big fuel company, But thats all changed now.Lpg,bio fuels diesel,will be here for a very long time yet.

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Some guy in the 70s fitted some thing to a cars engine to run on everything bar water.He came not far from me and was on a program at that time called Tomorrows World.

He would not let anybody know what he had fitted but whatever it was the car ran perfect,needless to say he disappeared and has never been heard of since..

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Quote: Originally posted by jeff juke on 01/5/2015
Some guy in the 70s fitted some thing to a cars engine to run on everything bar water.He came not far from me and was on a program at that time called Tomorrows World.

He would not let anybody know what he had fitted but whatever it was the car ran perfect,needless to say he disappeared and has never been heard of since..



He's living very happily on a sunny tropical island paid for by Shell, BP, and Esso!

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Ironic, isn't it? A few years back we're told to go diesel, now we're being told we're evil for doing so!

From reading various articles, it seems that the worst air pollution is in cities, so the answer would seem to be sort the transportation in cities out rather than sting everyone who has a diesel vehicle (as I suspect they will do) and probably rarely drives in a city.

We recently had a questionnaire sent out about electric cars and our attitudes to them. I would quite happily have a small electric car for local running about but it would be useless for the longer journeys I do (down Friday to England or way up north; provide safety cover on an event in the middle of nowhere and drive back the following Sunday morning) and it couldn't take my camping gear. Nor would it do for my Red Cross volunteering because the thing couldn't go off road. Ergo, I would need the Freelander for those purposes. That means insuring two cars, albeit one would be free of VED. It's not affordable.

In last 17 years had three Freelanders; first one was petrol but had so many faults, I ended up getting a brand new (also petrol) one in PX for £5K; paid for a dual fuel (LPG) conversion and that was okay but then it was written off in an accident. By that time we were into sky high fuel prices (over £1.40 a litre for petrol and £1.47 for diesel and we have a 5p/litre fuel duty derogation) and fuel consumption was a key factor in choosing a new to me car - a relatively low mileage diesel came up and it has really helped out. 14 mpg more than the petrol - even in the stop/go of single track roads in the tourist season and almost 20 mpg on main roads.

So, if VED rises so much on diesel what can I do but move away - you need a car to live here as public transport is severely limited - or give up things that are important to me and my son? If blanket taxes come in, then that's what a lot of us are going to have to think hard about.

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03/5/2015 at 10:49pm
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Back in the days when I was wee small lad many people use to run cars on pig s**t the s**t was heated via wood or charcoal.(seemed pig s**t produced better gas than horse or cow s**t)
the gas given off was then used to fuel a petrol engine.

also cars/motorbikes were also run on paraffin, using a inverted Brasso tin filled with petrol the vehicle was started and soon as it started to warm up switched to paraffin which normal petrol tank was filled with.
petrol engines ran hotter on paraffin so had to watch valves by weakening mixture, more air.

When was this 1940-1946/7.
back in the 50's a engine was produced to run on water well there was water in the tank the car extracted the hydrogen from water and used this to propel the vehicle.
but was supposed to be too costly to produce commercially

diesel engine ships run on boiler fuel which is passed through a centrifugal washer cleaner while heated before hand which uses water to remove any solids from fuel like sand ETC the water and solids exit into a sludge tank while the cleaned fuel/boiler oil goes into a storage tank.
The ship uses 200lbsq/inch air to turn engine over and diesel is injected into cylinders to fire engine.

once ship is clear of port the supply of diesel is swapped to fuel/boiler oil which has been heated to 169degrees before injected into engine.
same with ships boiler/s only diesel is used in port or up rivers ETC
the diesel oil on ships is also cleaned by same method and is nothing like what you put in your car. ships oil that's what they mean by crude.


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PS few years back I was looking at a new car and the salesman was giving me all this crap about the new very latest invention common rail fuel supply as being the best thing since sliced bread. I informed him that common rail had been round since 1948. Which was produced by Doxford engines. this is only used to save on pipe work. instead of having a pipe for every injector one a common rail is used for all injectors.


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Common rail is part of modern diesel technology. Electronically metered fuel injection to produce most fuel efficient internal combustion engines ever. So yes, best thing since sliced bread so far but technology does not stand still.


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BTW aren't a lot of taxis in London diesel powered. Also aren't a lot of trains which enter city centres diesel powered.
It will not be only be the motorist to suffer but the general population as cost will spiral up as diesel trucks used to transport your shopping are changed to petrol. Train journeys will cost more. Maintence on roads and similar will cost more if they have to change to petrol.
In addition probably within the next 5 years we will be told by the EU that petrol engines are bad for us and we need to switch to electric.
This crowd that did the court thing are very unpopular as they gave no thought to the repercussions of their actions plus the judge being daft!


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Virtually all commercial vehicles and plant are diesel powered, and quite a lot of trains. Electrification of ALL the railways was planned in the 1950s, but never carried out in full. We had electrically powered trams in the 1940s and plenty of trolley buses, which were also electric, but we scrapped the lot in favour of diesel power. Stupid or what?

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Glasgow is heavily polluted in the city.Watching the news on this all i saw was a stream of buses one after the other. Its no wonder your choking going walk about in Hope Street.

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Bring back the trolley buses Jeff.

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We only just produce enough electric of the day to day running of the UK and to electrify trolly busses, trains etc will cost s small fortune as new power stations need to be built. However the Green brigade don't want new power stations in any form so we have a Catch 22 situation.



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