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06/10/2017 at 8:15pm
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Johnnie boy, why did you have to pay a percentage of the costs? Because you missed a service where the problem may have been identified? Interested because I also have an Xplore which has had lots of remedial work done at no cost to me, I got three years free services when I bought it.
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06/10/2017 at 8:53pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Grandad Kenny on 06/10/2017
Johnnie boy, why did you have to pay a percentage of the costs? Because you missed a service where the problem may have been identified? Interested because I also have an Xplore which has had lots of remedial work done at no cost to me, I got three years free services when I bought it.
Sometimes things happen in life which are more important than getting a caravan serviced on time !
The van had a 6 year water ingress warranty and and if you read the T's and C's Elddis will pay a percentage of the work if a service is not carried out within the time frame stipulated ..or something like that.
I never got any free service offers when I purchased the van.
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06/10/2017 at 9:16pm
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I was just asking as I have the same make and wondered if you had a raw deal or I had a good deal, interestingly I have a ten year water ingress. Seems I got a better deal for whatever reason.
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06/10/2017 at 10:15pm
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I believe the water ingress warranty was increased to 10 years when the solid construction came on the scene.
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07/10/2017 at 9:21am
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 06/10/2017
No manufacturer can gaurantee that their products won't go faulty in a given time. They can however guarantee to repair any faults that occur in that given time & they could also guarantee any faults would be repaired within a given short time frame.
The UK caravan industry is a victim of it's own success. Too many people want to go caravanning. I would guess it suffers from a skills shortage in both factory & dealer workshops & also in management who fail to address the needs of customers.
As pointed out, most people just want to go caravanning they do not want to enter in to protracted disputes so probably they do not complain enough. I expect though that customer complaints are just seen as colateral damage by manufacturers whose customers keep coming back to buy their product.
I don't think any manufacture offers the consumer a guarantee or warranty as they do not sell direct to the public. Legislation like Sale of Goods Act and Consumer Rights Act cover the consumer when they make a purchase.
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07/10/2017 at 9:56am
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Pedants corner again Ian? Of course the manufacturer offers the warranty. All contact from customer has to be via supplying dealer. Supplying dealer will not do warranty work unless authourised by manufacturer or dealer will not get paid for the work. This is of course separate from customer rights under consumer law. One is free to sue supplying dealer if relations break down & customer believes they have a case.
However from personal experience with cars I do know contact with actual manufacturer can bring results as they have for me authourised repairs via my supplying dealer when previously dealer stated required repair which was cosmetic was not covered by warranty.
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07/10/2017 at 9:58am
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 07/10/2017
Pedants corner again Ian? Of course the manufacturer offers the warranty. All contact from customer has to be via supplying dealer. Supplying dealer will not do warranty work unless authourised by manufacturer or dealer will not get paid for the work. This is of course separate from customer rights under consumer law.
However from personal experience with cars I do know contact with actual manufacturer can bring results as they have for me authourised repairs via my supplying dealer when previously dealer stated required repair which was cosmetic was not covered by warranty.
As far as I am aware no caravan manufacturer offers the consumer a warranty however if I am wrong, please name the manufacturer.
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07/10/2017 at 12:08pm
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What are you on about Ian? All new caravans have warranties. Read the maker's websites.
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07/10/2017 at 12:13pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 07/10/2017
What are you on about Ian? All new caravans have warranties. Read the maker's websites.
However the warranty is not between the consumer and the manufacturer. The warranty is between the dealership and the manufacturer and has nothing to do with the consumer.
I stress this because if the manufacturer refuses a claim from the dealer, it is of no concern to the consumer as the responsibility lies with the dealer to rectify the issue.
Again there is no legislation that states that you need to have your caravan serviced regularly to maintain your rights under consumer legislation. However it is good practice to do the annual service anyway.
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07/10/2017 at 1:03pm
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A new caravan comes with a warranty. The T&Cs will state that is does not affect the buyer's rights under consummer law. What exactly is the point you are trying to make Ian & how does it contribute to the thread?
If the manufacturer refuses a claim from the dealer then it is very much the concern of the consumer because his caravan does not get repaired without cost. The consumer will not be getting anywhere without doing something & contact with manufacturer is certainly an option before they resort to litigation that they may not win. If the bill is only £400 they may prefer just to pay up & go caravanning.
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08/10/2017 at 8:28am
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 07/10/2017
A new caravan comes with a warranty. The T&Cs will state that is does not affect the buyer's rights under consummer law. What exactly is the point you are trying to make Ian & how does it contribute to the thread?
If the manufacturer refuses a claim from the dealer then it is very much the concern of the consumer because his caravan does not get repaired without cost. The consumer will not be getting anywhere without doing something & contact with manufacturer is certainly an option before they resort to litigation that they may not win. If the bill is only £400 they may prefer just to pay up & go caravanning.
I am sorry but it seems you have no idea of the legislation and suggest you read the legislation first. Your first paragraph is correct, but your second paragraph is incorrect. There is NO contract between the manufacturer and the consumer as the consumer never bought from the manufacturer so that may not even be an option unless the manufacturer decides on some goodwill to the dealership.
The point I am trying to make is that people should start using the legislation to their best advantage instead of rolling over and accepting whatever the dealer tells them. You would be surprised how many people have been successful recently using the CRA 2015 legislation correctly.
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08/10/2017 at 9:42am
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You would also be suprised how many people have been sucessful by first trying contact with manufacturer who will then lean on their supplier to fix the product for their customer. It's certainly worth a try. It's ok for "forum lawyers" to tell others to take the legal route but one needs to exhaust other much easier methods first which do include contact with manufacturer or in the case of imported product the UK distributor.
If that fails then the legal option has to be explored if the sums involve make it worthwhile. As I pointed out in my earlier post the caravan industry does seem to be lacking in the aftersales dept but probably while they sell so many caravans they won't bother to improve. Caravans are a luxury optional niche market purchase not mass market consumer goods so poor service from the caravan industry will not attract the public attention like a washing machine or car manufacturer might.
Anybody can google for the Consumer rights act 2015 but perhaps you can give the op step by step instructions on how he can implement it with a view to getting his floor fixed free. It will contribute far more to the thread than a pedantic argument...
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08/10/2017 at 10:07am
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Quote: Originally posted by Opensauce on 08/10/2017
You would also be suprised how many people have been sucessful by first trying contact with manufacturer who will then lean on their supplier to fix the product for their customer. It's certainly worth a try. It's ok for "forum lawyers" to tell others to take the legal route but one needs to exhaust other much easier methods first which do include contact with manufacturer or in the case of imported product the UK distributor.
If that fails then the legal option has to be explored if the sums involve make it worthwhile. As I pointed out in my earlier post the caravan industry does seem to be lacking in the aftersales dept but probably while they sell so many caravans they won't bother to improve. Caravans are a luxury optional niche market purchase not mass market consumer goods so poor service from the caravan industry will not attract the public attention like a washing machine or car manufacturer might.
Anybody can google for the Consumer rights act 2015 but perhaps you can give the op step by step instructions on how he can implement it with a view to getting his floor fixed free. It will contribute far more to the thread than a pedantic argument...
Post last edited on 08/10/2017 09:51:01
I agree with most of your post except for the comments about forum lawyers. Most people tend to post a complaint after they have contacted the dealership and the manufacturer and then got no joy.
I actually do have a qualification in contract law however I am very rusty on it as never used it in my profession when I was working.
Very recently I acquired the T shirt for the above and using legal advice from Which Legal Services I was told what legislation to use and how to apply it. I was successful and would like to share my knowledge with others!
The OP should have the floor repaired FOC under SOGA as it is the dealer's responsibility and no one else's responsibility. Why pay for a repair when it should be done FOC as no one expects a floor to delaminate within 6 years? It is time that the consumer fought back and you do not need an expensive lawyer to do it for you as I proved.
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If SOGA is dealers responsibility what happens if the dealer ceases trading say 2 years after purchase of new caravan ? Are you left high and dry or do you pursue a claim under SOGA with the Manufacturer.
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08/10/2017 at 10:47am
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Quote: Originally posted by The Vicar on 08/10/2017
If SOGA is dealers responsibility what happens if the dealer ceases trading say 2 years after purchase of new caravan ? Are you left high and dry or do you pursue a claim under SOGA with the Manufacturer.
If the caravan is on HP then responsibility it passed to the finance house. If bought and a deposit was paid using a credit card, you are covered by Section 75 of the Consumer Credit Act.
In many cases the manufacturer allocates a another dealership to do the work however unfortunately you lose a lot of your leverage under any legislation.
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