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Subject Topic: Overtook a lorry on inside lane
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31/5/2006 at 8:25pm
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Thanks for the replies.  As they say 'you live and learn' because I won't overtake on the inside again!


31/5/2006 at 9:08pm
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Paul Glancy,

I'm afraid you could be wrong on 2 counts.
Firstly, since getting a speed camera detector which operates via GPS, one side benefit of which is that it gives an accurate speed reading, I can tell you that both my cars at about 60mph plus according to their speedos, are in fact over-reading by 5mph. Therefore, at an indicated 67mph, for instance, I'm actualy doing just 2mph over the limit with the caravan on the back on a dual carriageway or motorway!
Secondly, you assume that all caravans on the road are being used 100% for pleasure; they aren't!

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31/5/2006 at 9:25pm
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One of the benefits of having the Grand Cherokee, even when the caravan is on the back, is when an HGV driver starts messing about on a dual carriageway or motorway, I can simply put my foot down and it takes off at a rate, and leaves the pillock to find somebody else to play his stupid and dangerous games with.
Whether others like it or not, slowing down in front of a threatening HGV is a simple, safe, and legal way of giving the pillock his just desserts. The thing HGV drivers hate is having to change down gear!!

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31/5/2006 at 11:37pm
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Hey Come on now not all bus drivers are the same. I never take any risks. My priority is the safety of my passengers and I would never do anything to put them in that situation.


31/5/2006 at 11:53pm
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I didn't say ALL bus drivers Kev, I said NOTTINGHAM bus drivers! Ours probably went to a different school of obnoxiousism that the Scottish ones!

Juliers - you've hit it on the nail when you say they don't use their mirrors and just pull out when you are alongside. I've had many an altercation through open windows with them. Another niggler is when they don't pull right in to the bus stop and just park at 45 degrees holding up all the traffic behind them.

I have a policy now on the roads. I NEVER give way to lorries or buses. That way I'm always in front of the idiots.

I used to carry a large sign which I held out of the window to the drivers who were intent on kissing my a**e, saying "DANGER, too close, pull back". I think it's time to dig it out again.


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01/6/2006 at 12:11am
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its Legal to Undertake but only if the traffic in the nearside lane is travelling at a faster speed than the offside lane


01/6/2006 at 4:09am
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its Legal to Undertake but only if the traffic in the nearside lane is travelling at a faster speed than the offside lane

No. it isnt.

By definition, the traffic in the nearside lane should not be travelling faster than the other lanes. The exception might be at an off ramp where the motorway traffic is stationary.



01/6/2006 at 8:35am
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its Legal to Undertake but only if the traffic in the nearside lane is travelling at a faster speed than the offside lane

No. it isnt.

By definition, the traffic in the nearside lane should not be travelling faster than the other lanes. The exception might be at an off ramp where the motorway traffic is stationary.

So where do we stand legally when There are traffic hold up's on the motorway when the 2nd & 3rd lanes are reduced to crawling, (because no one wants to be stuck behind a lorry, on the inside lane) & the inside lane is running a lot more freely ? it's imposible to slow down to the speed of the other 2 lanes, I thought you were supposed to in that case drive with the flow of traffic.



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01/6/2006 at 9:10am
 Location: Poole Nantwich Cheshire
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its Legal to Undertake but only if the traffic in the nearside lane is travelling at a faster speed than the offside lane

No. it isnt.

By definition, the traffic in the nearside lane should not be travelling faster than the other lanes. The exception might be at an off ramp where the motorway traffic is stationary.

Yes it is, both in the circumstances described above, and, as you concede, when approaching an exit, if the other 2 lanes are slower (perhaps because of traffic leaving at the exit).

It is of course correct to say that you should not "undertake",but equally any driver not pulling back into a left hand lane after overtaking, is wrong, even when there is more traffic "in the distance" ahead.

Two wrongs, as you rightly say, do not make a right, but I would like to see more enforcement of the cause of undertaking, ie people not pulling back to the left.

One of the best things about driving in France (and many other European countries) is that they have much better lane discipline that we do in this regard.

The proof of this pudding, is that we can regularly drive from our house in Austria (690 miles) to Calais in 8 hours, yes before you ask, solo.  Yet when we get off the ferry at Dover, it can take 6 hours for the 300 miles home.  Congestion does play a part in this, but so does (lack of) lane discipline.

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01/6/2006 at 9:22am
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Lane discipline. Why is it on UK motorways you frequently see the outer off-side lane at a virtual standstill and the nearside lane free-moving? People are hell-bent on staying in a lane come what may, and cease to realise that both the outer lanes on motorways and dual carriageways are OVERTAKING LANES only, so that when the overtaking has been completed you must move back in to the nearside.

Then there's the folk on our dual carriageways who seem to think they are driving on the continent. So many times have I come up to a vehicle stuck in the off-side lane pootling along at 40mph and will not buge, irrespective of how much you flash and hoot at them. Undertaking then, I hazard a guess would be legal, as they are travelling at a much slower speed than the nearside lane?


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01/6/2006 at 9:28am
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sadly, it would not be legal on the basis that two wrongs do not make a right.  (that does not mean that I would never do it). But why is the offending (outside lane diver) never prosecuted for causing an obstruction ?

Some level of enforcement of the highway code in this regard, could free up our roads from congestion - to some degree.  Every bit helps.

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