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20/3/2015 at 10:36am
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Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 20/3/2015
I should have realised that European sites don't have any of these expenses Alpiner. Perhaps their maintenance is done by charitable organisations and the land is free with services laid on by the municipality?



Who's a getting a tetchy little camper then?

There are differences such as the municipals being subsidised by the commune and even commercial sites attract benefits from the government's view of the value of tourism. The staffing, in many cases is done by members of the family and there are less "health & safety" dictats.


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Quote: Originally posted by SGThomas on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 20/3/2015 I should have realised that European sites don't have any of these expenses Alpiner. Perhaps their maintenance is done by charitable organisations and the land is free with services laid on by the municipality?



Who's a getting a tetchy little camper then?

There are differences such as the municipals being subsidised by the commune and even commercial sites attract benefits from the government's view of the value of tourism. The staffing, in many cases is done by members of the family and there are less "health & safety" dictats.




How dare you? I'll have you know I'm a tetchy little caravanner 😜
I would be interested to know how if we are all in Europe together, the health and safety rules and subsidies are different for Euro sites. Is that a guess or fact based, Stuart?
Commercial sites are often family affairs here too but I know my gripe is re the CC sites' prices.
As we know, opinions differ on VFM, but in my book €12 versus £25/30 per night is too big a gap for the possible reasons you give.
I'll be at ACSI sites for 12 weeks this year and that is
is a big saving. Happy days 😀


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20/3/2015 at 12:43pm
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They are businesses not charities. They are in it to make a profit. They will charge what the market will stand.


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Quote: Originally posted by alan29 on 20/3/2015
They are businesses not charities. They are in it to make a profit. They will charge what the market will stand.



Alan, the original post and my comments relate to Caravan Club sites. The CC is certainly not a business although you can be excused for thinking so judging by their prices. Maybe they are making a profit?
As far as I am concerned they are charging more than the market will stand, which explain why I seldom stay on CC Sites. Obviously I am a very small part of the market.


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Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/3/2015I still can't understand why diesel is dearer than petrol in this country, when it is cheaper in most other places I



Three letter explanation.

T A X



Is that actually so, oxter? Is there a separate tax on diesel in this country, that is not imposed on petrol? I always thought that the tax on road fuel was simply a percentage of the price, although I accept I could be wrong.



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20/3/2015 at 10:12pm
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Quote: Originally posted by beechy on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 19/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by zozo3791 on 18/3/2015I'm sure a few years ago campsites weren't charging these prices, it seems to be since the schools have started fining parents for taking their children out of school. Also if I remember right when I camped years ago we only paid for the pitch but Europe seem to have charged pitch and person so I reckon that the uk have followed.
The prices have gone up a lot the past couple of years and it's unfair



We had a break from caravanning for a few years before returning last year. When we were caravanning before, we had a young family which is one of the main reasons we took to it. In the 70s and early 80s, none of the sites we used charged per person, they all charged for the pitch, regardless of how many people there were. We were quite surprised to find this had changed when we came back. Glad there's only the two of us now. I don't think we could afford to go caravanning with kids now, especially with the prices in school holidays.


Perhaps if people in the past hadn't have taken the pee by cramming loads into a tent or caravan then they wouldn't have to charge per person. The showers aren't heated for free and neither is the water supplied & disposed of for free. All businesses pay by the litre for the water they use, yes like new build houses. If you paid for the hot or cold water that you use & dispose of by the litre you could keep the cost of the pitch down. Then add the disposal of waste which the council don't do for free and is sometime done by independant companies whi need to cover the licence fee for disposal of waste.. Electricity on a meter would be another cost in addition to the pitch fee, so the more you use the more you pay. How about the pitch fee being based on the square metre/yard of you tent or caravan + awning, now that would be a much fairer way to pay for a pitch.



Perhaps I should also have said that sites were quite different in those days. Few had showers, and those that did were often charged for. Water was always available, but not always hot water, except in the showers. EHU were very few and far between, and always metered. It was not unusual for a site with 100 pitches to have less than 10 pitches with EHU. Now, EHU is expected on virtually all pitches. Times change.

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 20/3/2015I still can't understand why diesel is dearer than petrol in this country, when it is cheaper in most other places I
Three letter explanation.
T A X



Is that actually so, oxter? Is there a separate tax on diesel in this country, that is not imposed on petrol? I always thought that the tax on road fuel was simply a percentage of the price, although I accept I could be wrong.





You are not wrong. I was. I misread your post as questioning the price of UK fuel. The tax rate is the same on both.
Here is a link asking the same question as you.

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-1631705/Why-is-diesel-more-expensive-than-petrol.html

Post last edited on 21/03/2015 09:38:30

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CC isn't a charity either. their balance sheet shows a decent profit every year. they have staffing and maintenance overheads the same as any other site, plus the expense of staffing and maintaining a central office.


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Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 20/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by alan29 on 20/3/2015They are businesses not charities. They are in it to make a profit. They will charge what the market will stand.



Alan, the original post and my comments relate to Caravan Club sites. The CC is certainly not a business although you can be excused for thinking so judging by their prices. Maybe they are making a profit?
As far as I am concerned they are charging more than the market will stand, which explain why I seldom stay on CC Sites. Obviously I am a very small part of the market.




Both the cc and the ccc have been businesses for years now and in my opinion should have lost their club status years ago having said that if the membership was really that angry about things there is an annual general meeting for both so called clubs where YOU could change things.

As regards pitch fees I still only go to sites below a tenner and yes my set up is fully self sufficient I only need water and waste disposal


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Does maintaining the central office and staff not come out of the £46 annual subscription?
My point is that as members of the Club, our site.fees should be lower than commercial sites which need to run profitably.
CC Sites just need to break even.
Perhaps they are planning to go the PLC route like the motoring organisations did? Look out for a much slimmer organisation if they do.

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If you must go away at a bank holiday ( which I avoid like the plague) and your a C/C member the best deal is to find a centre rally to join, there's plenty all over the country at bargain prices and no hunting around sites to find pitch vacancies. You don't have to join in the activities if you don't want to, you can do your own thing.

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They make a profit on other services but frequently make an overall loss on running the sites. Last I am not sure about but the year before the sites made a loss overall.

As to charging more than the market will stand, in high season when the fees are at their greatest their sites fill, so at the moment the market is still supporting them, yes there are many not using them at that time because of the prices but most of their sites still get full. People grumble about being unable to book and then grumble when they are told that it is simply supply and demand. Increasing the supply is not easy so they need to reduce demand and the way to do this is to increase prices, so as I have been saying for years unless you want to see the £50 a night pitch in high season stop grumbling about inooking problems. Having got a taste for it the prices will continue rising until they see that the occupancy of their very popular sites starts to fall.


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Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 17/3/2015
CC are having a larf.
A mutual non-profit organisation. Should be ashamed. If it wasn't fot CL's and CC Insurance I'd be gone.



I would have to agree with this, I only use Club sites when I have to, it's CLs for me, far more reasonable.



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Quote: Originally posted by Supatramp on 21/3/2015
Quote: Originally posted by oxter on 17/3/2015CC are having a larf.
A mutual non-profit organisation. Should be ashamed. If it wasn't fot CL's and CC Insurance I'd be gone.



I would have to agree with this, I only use Club sites when I have to, it's CLs for me, far more reasonable.





Perhaps this is what they want, every member who does this eases the demand. Eventually they will achieve a balance of supply and demand and have priced the majority out of using sites at peak periods in doing so.

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If you don't like the prices they charge or you object to the clubs making a profit you don't have to be a member.


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Quote: Originally posted by Fat Bum on 22/3/2015
If you don't like the prices they charge or you object to the clubs making a profit you don't have to be a member.



If you don't like the policies of the government in power then move to another country.

Hang on a minute - its a democracy, so you can vote for another government. The government is there for the people.

Its the same with clubs they are there for the members. Its up to the members to raise a voice and demand change.



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