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Subject Topic: Why do caravans leak so easily
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14/8/2018 at 12:57pm
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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 13/8/2018
I must say my 8 month old Elddis is still bone dry.

Its just sad that:
The 5ft surround round the stargazer skylight fell off after the first time we used it.
The microwave cupboard is falling off the wall again.
8 cupboard doors are falling off
The 2 bed frames are falling off
The roof is now starting to collapse at the front.
The seat cushions are sagging
There is a brake problem

and then there are a number of minor problems.



I have a 3 year old Elddis and I've found that the seat cushions are pretty bad. You would have thought that they would fill them with decent padding, but I get the feeling that they use the cheapest materials to keep cost down.

I'm considering getting my cushions re-stuffed during the winter.



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See this is my dilemma . I originally wanted to buy a static caravan but the site fees are prohibitive , so I thought, get a caravan , put it in storage on a site and get the site to bring it out every time I need it , but the caravans seem pretty poor quality and I feel I will get caught out buying one.
So I thought, what about a folding camper , they seem very good value , my only concern would be having to maybe put it back wet and then not using it for two months . I started off with a tent and I seem to be going backwards towards one
Before anybody asks , I have a company car so I cant tow anything with it and I live in a terraced house so I have no off road storage


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14/8/2018 at 1:05pm
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I agree with The2 Tops.Every time a post appears on here about damp or other problems with Caravans it is followed by many contributors.
The malaise runs throughout the whole industry.
Manufacturers,dealers and the businesses masquerading as members’ clubs have scant regard for their customers.
I gave up reading caravan reviews in the magazines. I gather that the CMC only test models submitted by manufacturers which eliminates those with design or other problems.
I try not to respond to these threads but you see so much injustice it is hard to ignore.

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14/8/2018 at 3:09pm
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I only clicked on here after reading the title, assuming a punchline was to be had, despite the thread not being in the jokes section! Well, turns out it weren't a joke afterall!


And here's me thinking the "natural progression" from tents to caravans was a step up!

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14/8/2018 at 3:42pm
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Quote: Originally posted by richardandjo2010 on 12/8/2018
Although I agree with most of these posts, the problem is not actually quite as bad as it seems when you take the total number of caravans produced each year, and subtract those with faults I would think its minimal.
Bailey caravans get bad press about workmanship and build quality, some of you here have said its luck you either get a good one or a bad one, well I have had 2 Baileys and I have never had a problem, I have also had quite a few others without issue surely I cant be that lucky.



I've now had four new British caravans (including 2 Baileys), and each one has been a disaster with major faults in the first year. If just one in 100 vans are faulty, then the odds me getting 4 faulty ones are 10 times worse that being struck by lightening in the UK, or 7 times worse than winning the lottery.

I think it reasonable to suggest the percentage of significantly faulty vans is far higher than 1%.



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14/8/2018 at 4:02pm
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As OH pointed out to me, we are lucky enough to keep pour caravan at home, so can use the dehumifier and even heat with ehu if necessary.


14/8/2018 at 7:40pm
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Quote: Originally posted by The 2 Tops on 14/8/2018
Quote: Originally posted by richardandjo2010 on 12/8/2018
.............Although I agree with most of these posts, the problem is not actually quite as bad as it seems when you take the total number of caravans produced each year, and subtract those with faults I would think its minimal..........


Consider the greater number of mass produced cars. 4 opening doors and tailgate, 4 opening side windows, and sometimes a sliding roof light. How many complaints do you hear of, even when the cars are several years old - against leakage problems with caravans from year one?
Quite honestly, I think the problem is far worse.
Bertie.


Cars have just as many problems loads of recalls on just about every brand. yesterday I was at a Ford commercial centre, there was a big pile of papers all for warranty work to be done on brand new vehicles and the pile I was told is just from the last 3 weeks


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14/8/2018 at 7:46pm
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Quote: Originally posted by freeatlast on 14/8/2018
Quote: Originally posted by richardandjo2010 on 12/8/2018
Although I agree with most of these posts, the problem is not actually quite as bad as it seems when you take the total number of caravans produced each year, and subtract those with faults I would think its minimal.
Bailey caravans get bad press about workmanship and build quality, some of you here have said its luck you either get a good one or a bad one, well I have had 2 Baileys and I have never had a problem, I have also had quite a few others without issue surely I cant be that lucky.



I've now had four new British caravans (including 2 Baileys), and each one has been a disaster with major faults in the first year. If just one in 100 vans are faulty, then the odds me getting 4 faulty ones are 10 times worse that being struck by lightening in the UK, or 7 times worse than winning the lottery.

I think it reasonable to suggest the percentage of significantly faulty vans is far higher than 1%.




I feel really sorry for you having had 4 rotten vans you have had a short straw I think, I re read my post ive had 3 Baileys not 2 without issue I cant see how this can be with the amount of bad press all vans get.


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15/8/2018 at 9:48am
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It appears to me that the issue us inconsistent quality control,bit like the old days of the British motor industry!
We met a dutch chap on holiday, who told us he had had issues with german vans too.He had an Elddis which had faults!
We have had several Japanese cars, Datsun and Honda all very reliable also 3 Kia and now Hyundai all very good.

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15/8/2018 at 10:02am
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High numbers of cars will always 'have problems' of some sort - they are more complex than caravans, and many of the problems can depend on servicing thoroughness and how they are driven.
But on the subject of water ingress, cars very rarely suffer these faults.
By comparison, caravans are of low volume manufacture compared to cars, therefore, if poor workmanship was not an issue, on would expect caravan complaints to be very much in the minority.
Bertie.

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15/8/2018 at 11:14am
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ISorry got the quote thing wrong.
I would be happy about recalls .Bailey had a recall about wheel nuts and the danger of wheel detachment thereby accepting an error and putting it right.
However in my case they and many owners knew there was a noseweight issue but no recall .The dealer did offer to put it right for £480.
The AluTec Unicorn range had damp problems through bad quality control on seals especially round the grab handles. Again no recall or acceptance that there was a problem.Had they done a recall to dealers to reseal it would have saved a lot of vans going back to the factory.

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15/8/2018 at 1:00pm
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Quote: Originally posted by The 2 Tops on 15/8/2018
High numbers of cars will always 'have problems' of some sort - they are more complex than caravans, and many of the problems can depend on servicing thoroughness and how they are driven.
But on the subject of water ingress, cars very rarely suffer these faults.
By comparison, caravans are of low volume manufacture compared to cars, therefore, if poor workmanship was not an issue, on would expect caravan complaints to be very much in the minority.
Bertie.



That's a bit like trying to compare apples and oranges though, I mean cars weigh anywhere between 1 to 2 tonnes and are much smaller than caravans.

Cars also don't have to think too much about weight, whereas caravan manufacturers are constantly juggling weight with spec.

I'm damned positive that a caravan manufacturer could make a perfect leak free caravan, but it would probably weigh 2 tonnes and very few people could tow it.

I agree that the caravan industry is in a bit of trouble at the moment with build quality, but I also don't think its as bad as people think. Very few people would come onto a forum and shout from the rooftops "I've got a caravan and its leak free!!" but people are very quick to shout when they do have problems.

And that's the problem, we all sit on these forums and see posts saying "I've got a leak" etc and assume all caravans are like that, but I doubt it is.

Just my thoughts on the matter.


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Quote: Originally posted by misterg on 15/8/2018
Had they done a recall to dealers to reseal it would have saved a lot of vans going back to the factory.



and a lot of p***ed off, never to be seen again customers.


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It is true that people will shout about anything that has a problem, but often don't say anything when they have a good one.

However, I have been on this forum for a few years now, and I have noticed that many of the complaints are about new or nearly new caravans. Has quality control deteriorated? I got back into caravanning 5 years ago with a £500 Elddis, and changed this for a £1,100 one last year. Spending that amount I half expected problems, but have had few so far that I couldn't easily fix. Maybe the answer, if like me you are not bothered about having a shiny new caravan, is to buy an older one that has been looked after. The theory being that if it was going to leak it would have done so by now. Maybe quality control was better back then?

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Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/8/2018
It is true that people will shout about anything that has a problem, but often don't say anything when they have a good one.

However, I have been on this forum for a few years now, and I have noticed that many of the complaints are about new or nearly new caravans. Has quality control deteriorated? I got back into caravanning 5 years ago with a £500 Elddis, and changed this for a £1,100 one last year. Spending that amount I half expected problems, but have had few so far that I couldn't easily fix. Maybe the answer, if like me you are not bothered about having a shiny new caravan, is to buy an older one that has been looked after. The theory being that if it was going to leak it would have done so by now. Maybe quality control was better back then?



Changing the subject slightly,a relation of mine bought a brand new house, they were really pleased with it.

A few years down the line they start noticing problems, doors not closing properly, cracks in the walls etc. turns out all of the "wooden" surrounds for the doors and skirting boards were down with MDF. The builder used really cheap materials, and this wasn't a "fly-by night" builder, it was a well known company (like Barrets but not them)

with regards to caravans though, I think you may be right, the OP may want to look at buying an older van, that way any problems that the van may have had should have been caught and sorted.



16/8/2018 at 7:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by shaggy2000 on 16/8/2018

A few years down the line they start noticing problems, doors not closing properly, cracks in the walls etc. turns out all of the "wooden" surrounds for the doors and skirting boards were down with MDF. The builder used really cheap materials, and this wasn't a "fly-by night" builder, it was a well known company (like Barrets but not them)




What's wrong with MDF skirting boards and architrave? I use these out of preference. Smoother finish, no warping or twisting, no knots weeping through, less shrinkage etc.



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