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20/2/2010 at 4:02pm
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yes dippy2 we also have a dethleffs 530dl and as yet cannot fault it and the insurance is only £150 new for old withinsurance for you (try googleing it)

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20/2/2010 at 10:49pm
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Another van maker is the Bavarian firm of Tabbert. They have been going for over 50 years, and build good quality vans. I had a large Tabbert back in the 70's as a static van. We kept the van whilst the kids where very small on a site on the north sea coast. As it was only 60Km away we went Friday after work and left for home on Sunday evening. We did this every weekend through the summer from March through to October. We kept the van for about 10 years with no real problems. They are voted in German mags as number 1 van. I think now as all vans are built to ISO norm it has to do with taste, and that is the fruit of life.
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19/10/2011 at 1:04am
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Anybody have experience of a 2002 Burstner 530tk at all? Good or bad? About to do a deal on one I think (hope?!).

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19/10/2011 at 7:22pm
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We've got a Burstner S530TL twin diner and we love it.

 

That's all really  



19/10/2011 at 7:25pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Smiledmb on 19/10/2011
Anybody have experience of a 2002 Burstner 530tk at all? Good or bad? About to do a deal on one I think (hope?!).

What do you want to know?

Ours is a slightly newer 530TL, and it is well made, solid, roomy and well equiped.

Chewie

 



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19/10/2011 at 7:44pm
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Hi thanks for the reply.
I was wondering of there was anything to watch out for or anything?
The one were looking at doesn't have a leisure battery but we don't feel this will be an issue.
Thanks so much :)

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19/10/2011 at 7:49pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Smiledmb on 19/10/2011
Hi thanks for the reply.
I was wondering of there was anything to watch out for or anything?
The one were looking at doesn't have a leisure battery but we don't feel this will be an issue.
Thanks so much :)
Nothing to warn you about; we haven't had any problems with ours. We need a decent tow car to cope with it mind, but the bast thing I can say is that we have had it for 4 years now and have never come across a van we'd change it for. 


20/10/2011 at 7:32pm
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Go for it - you can't beat a German van for quality!


21/10/2011 at 9:03am
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I dont want to start an argument and its all a matter of personal choice. I am not connected with the Caravan Industry but I do come from Hull where many decent caravans are still made. I have seen  many people being laid off and  companies that make their componant parts go bust.Have the caravan manufacturers not learnt anything from the car iindustry that we once had?! Many British manufacturers have already gone bust Fleetwood, Avondale  eto name a few-come on Brits lets demand more from OUR manufacturers and keep our boys and girls emploeyed!


21/10/2011 at 9:26pm
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I agree Jean M, over the years we have always tried to buy British, Rover cars etc. etc. but I have to say that when it comes to caravans, I have heard so many horror stories (and seen them) about damp, leaky vans that we decided enough was enough and we bought German.

The Hymer has its yearly service, is damp meter checked and it doesn't even register.  Its built like a tank and has all the refinements of the British vans.  I'm not saying it will never develop any problems but it does seem that this is much less likely and when I am spending thousands of my hard earned, I want value for money and not to be worrying about whether or not it leaks.

Incidentally, ours doesn't have the door on the UK side and this has never (as yet) caused us any problems ... sites seem quite happy to accommodate us.  We also like the plain and simple interior design...no fussy flowers and fancy trim but solidly built lockers and functional fittings.   Each to their own.



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22/10/2011 at 8:23am
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Hi Patches I agree. Im not knocking anyone for buying German etc I just think that its a sad state of affairs that our manufacturers dont seem to realise that we  want quality! So many British caravans are mass producedand there is no attention to detail. I dont know what I will buy next so thats why I found this thread so interesting! Enjoy your Hymer!


22/10/2011 at 8:38am
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'The Hymer has its yearly service, is damp meter checked and it doesn't even register.'

I thought that even brand new vans straight from the manufacturers have some inherent damp in the wood.  I might well be wrong but I thought there was always some reading on the meter.  Even the atmosphere has humidity.

I agree though british manufacturers are lax where general construction is concerned.  Baileys construction where wood isn't used offers promises.  The only thing that puts me off is the need for retightening bolts at intervals. 



22/10/2011 at 9:11am
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Quote: Originally posted by brianconwy on 22/10/2011

'The Hymer has its yearly service, is damp meter checked and it doesn't even register.'

I thought that even brand new vans straight from the manufacturers have some inherent damp in the wood.  I might well be wrong but I thought there was always some reading on the meter. 




If the damp reading is taken using Hymers approved equipment then it is an ultrasonic reading not an invasive resistance measurement between two prongs. Thus it looks for damp within the bulk of the wall not in the skin wallboard or surface condensation.

Dont worry unduly about Baileys bolt tightening, if their MD is to be believed then up to now there has been found no "need" to tighten them. I seem to trust this as if there was any hint of them needing tightening the Forums would be screaming it out loud for everyone to hear. There is nothing Brits like better than bashing UK companies.


22/10/2011 at 1:19pm
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I'd like to make it clear that I wasn't "bashing UK companies".   If there was a British van built like the Hymer, I would have bought one, even if it was slightly more expensive.  It was just that having done my research, the Hymer seemed the better buy.

It is a real pity that the UK caravan industry hasn't woken up to the fact that there is a market out there for functional, well built caravans that don't get damp or leak a lot.  It's not a lot to ask is it really?   If the Germans can do it, why can't we?



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I think the point being missed here is that the UK caravan industry is a success story. It has resisted the importers better than most. Only a small minority of caravans seen on UK campsites are foreign built. Compare that with cars/motorcycles/boats etc.

For their own reasons(presumably market research)the popular continental makes have not set up large dealer networks in the UK & anybody wanting to buy 'foreign' either has to buy from a UK dealer miles away who may not be importing the caravan next yr or buy abroad.

UK built 'vans such as Swift/Sprite/Elddis sell in Holland. I spoke to a Dutch caravanner in France this yr who had a new Elddis & I was suprised that it had a UK sided door as Elddis no longer do a continental version. He insisted on giving me a conducted tour "You don't get this sort of luxury in a German 'van" he said, so horses for courses really.

Fact is UK caravan manufacturers give UK caravanners what they want & it ain't(apparently)German minimalist design.


23/10/2011 at 8:15am
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Quote: Originally posted by Tentz on 22/10/2011

I spoke to a Dutch caravanner in France this yr who had a new Elddis He insisted on giving me a conducted tour "You don't get this sort of luxury in a German 'van" he said, so horses for courses really.

Fact is UK caravan manufacturers give UK caravanners what they want & it ain't(apparently)German minimalist design.


Clearly your Dutch caravanner had a poor grasp of the German products available and has mislead you.

The truth is the German producers certainly do and have produced some of the highest levels of luxury caravans you can buy in Europe. The reality being you can buy from the more basic, through minimalist but still quality, to both the highest build quality and level of luxury. To prove the point re luxury you might look at Hobby Premium and Hymer S offerings as two examples to see how far from correct the Dutchman's statement was. Might not be to all tastes but surely unarguably oozing luxury.

It depends on the depth of your pockets and that I suggest was the root of the Dutchman's statement; such luxury and in the cases quoted the associated build quality, comes at a very high price. He without doubt could buy luxury "style" cheaper in the form of some UK mass produced vans.
The low % of German vans within the UK is probably more to do the high build cost in their economy and the poor value of the £, rather than any failing to produce luxury vans.
That said I do hope the UK mass produced caravan industry goes from strength to strength and ups their game, certainly in respect to quality so we can accept buying one built here once again. We had one shining example of UK excellence, a Castleton, however that was far from mass built.

Living with a German van in the UK does as you point out have local support issues but that in now ten years has not been a big issue. Any competent service supplier can maintain it as the equipment used from the chassis up are common within the industry. In respect to getting product unique parts then maybe this has been easier than implied by the horror stories we read of UK built vans?

We all buy what we think best suits us within our budget.



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