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21/6/2013 at 5:55pm
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Quote: Originally posted by AL53HX on 21/6/2013
What's next on the agenda?
cycling is popular,lets pass a law to mot cycles,lots of money in that, and lets face it,there are some real dangerous ones on the road.



Good posting!


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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 21/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by lunarvenus on 21/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 21/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by lunarvenus on 20/6/2013I think it should be a normal car garage that can do the MOT.Lots of garages aren't as busy as they use to so it will help them too.I am sure there are lots of caravaners that don't realise that a caravan needs to be maintained the same as a car, plus standing to months at a time is not good for bearings, tyres or brakes so all worth being checked.
Plus structural parts, if the van is rotten it could become unsafe too and the body could lift off the chasis.


Where would they store these caravans while they are waiting for a MOT and the caravan MT required different equipment anyway to test braking etc. There is no requirement to have a car or a caravan serviced annually plus the tester cannot check bearings anyway.
I wonder how many accidents have occurred because of an unsafe and unroadworthy caravan. Once I see those statistics only then can I make an informed decision.
Those advocating the MOT have obviously not thought it through properly and are basing their decision of hearsay.



the tester cannot check bearings anyway

Why ???



They are not allowed to remove the wheels.



Checking bearings is part of a mot.
Please correct me if I am wrong but you jack car up, hold wheel in the 12 and 6 o'clock position to check for any play and turn the wheel to listen for any grinding noises, if there is play or noises it will fail any mot, I thought this was well known and a standard thing.


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21/6/2013 at 7:40pm
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All you guys getting all worked up about something that wont happen. I bet anything you like it will die a very quiet death. Theres no money in it for the government, it would cost millions to set up and police, plus theres an election coming up, things like this wont win votes. CHILL GUYS AND ENJOY WHAT BIT OF SUMMER WE HAVE.

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Quote: Originally posted by Surfer01 on 21/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by AL53HX on 21/6/2013What's next on the agenda?
cycling is popular,lets pass a law to mot cycles,lots of money in that, and lets face it,there are some real dangerous ones on the road.



Good posting!



I agree..the sooner cyclists have to have insurance and MOTs, the sooner they might start behaving responsibly on the roads and leave the pavements alone

I'd sign that petition


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does that mean i have to get my 5yo grandsons bike mot'd and him insured?
That's one of the big mistakes narrow minded people like yourself make - there are cyclists and there are 'cyclists'.
Why would having the suggested insurance/mot make a 'cyclist' behave more responsible? doesn't work with many of the eejits i encounter on the roads who try to knock me off my bike, and btw i consider myself responsible whilst on the road, be it on 2 wheels or 4.

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22/6/2013 at 7:35am
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I doubt there will be a caravaner amongst those making these decisions so if it does come about its likely to be ill informed as usual.

I've always been an advocate of regular servicing, so if this were to be like that then I don't have an issue with it.

You've only got to read through a few of the last few weeks to see that dangerous defects that could contribute to an accident do appear on vans, so if this MOT were to be well informed and pick up on some of these then that would be good.

If it leads to the identification of all caravans then there are plus sides to this also.

However, this needs to be cheap, once every two years and tied directly to the the existing servicing service providers. I suspect that some of the reason we see so many empty caravan sites at the moment is due to the additional hoops young people have to jump through with testing and cost of fuel etc.

This is yet another cost and hassle which will deter some from starting this excellent hobby. However the present government seem hell bent on stagnating the economy through over pricing and taxation, and hitting the little man, so this probably appeal to them as long as it is lucrative.

If however if they perceived that it won't be, then agreed it will never happen.

Tony



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Having seen first hand the damage a faulty caravan does when something collapses, A woman (I used to work with) and her family were hit by a caravan whose tow hitch had fallen apart, she is now in a wheelchair, one child dead the other child and her husband were in intensive care for months. The inquest showed that the caravan brake/hitch had become separated from the caravan due to neglect, as no tether was used the caravan became a missile which hit the family whilst they were walking their dog less than 1 mile from home.

I welcome MOTs for caravans. Its a shame that it wasnt in place back then, because she and her child may have still been alive, and her friends wouldnt have had to watch as her loving husband and child cried at her graveside at the memorial service (they were in intensive care for the funeral).

To all those spouting off about how it will make no difference and it is pointless, I wonder how badly maintained your caravans really are? what have you got to hide?

Surely you as a caravan owner would feel safer in the knowledge that the van has been checked and is (at the time of MOT) 100% safe.

Someone said they cant check bearings or brakes, they do on car MOTs so I am certain that they can on a trailer or caravan.

I DO agree though that this MOT should be extended to trailers, as I work in a builders merchant, most trailers that I see are riddled with faults. I regularly load 1000kg and more onto trailers which may or may not have working brakes. I often wonder how the van towing it will stop if it needed to.

I have three trailers and all of them are checked over regularly by myself any faults are rectified, but I would gladly have them MOTed for MY peace of mind, as I wouldnt want to kill/hurt anyone.

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22/6/2013 at 8:30am
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Quote: Originally posted by cbreddie on 22/6/2013
Having seen first hand the damage a faulty caravan does when something collapses, A woman (I used to work with) and her family were hit by a caravan whose tow hitch had fallen apart, she is now in a wheelchair, one child dead the other child and her husband were in intensive care for months. The inquest showed that the caravan brake/hitch had become separated from the caravan due to neglect, as no tether was used the caravan became a missile which hit the family whilst they were walking their dog less than 1 mile from home.

I welcome MOTs for caravans. Its a shame that it wasnt in place back then, because she and her child may have still been alive, and her friends wouldnt have had to watch as her loving husband and child cried at her graveside at the memorial service (they were in intensive care for the funeral).

To all those spouting off about how it will make no difference and it is pointless, I wonder how badly maintained your caravans really are? what have you got to hide?

Surely you as a caravan owner would feel safer in the knowledge that the van has been checked and is (at the time of MOT) 100% safe.

Someone said they cant check bearings or brakes, they do on car MOTs so I am certain that they can on a trailer or caravan.

I DO agree though that this MOT should be extended to trailers, as I work in a builders merchant, most trailers that I see are riddled with faults. I regularly load 1000kg and more onto trailers which may or may not have working brakes. I often wonder how the van towing it will stop if it needed to.

I have three trailers and all of them are checked over regularly by myself any faults are rectified, but I would gladly have them MOTed for MY peace of mind, as I wouldnt want to kill/hurt anyone.



I'm with you all the way , the story above does prove that the cost of a mot shouldn't come before a humans life.


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Quote: Originally posted by brin101 on 21/6/2013
Why would having the suggested insurance/mot make a 'cyclist' behave more responsible? doesn't work with many of the eejits i encounter on the roads who try to knock me off my bike, and btw i consider myself responsible whilst on the road, be it on 2 wheels or 4.



Exactly. How would a caravan MOT make a 'caravanner' more responsible?


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These were printed in December last year.

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/platform/2012/12/stephen-hammond-mp-common-sense-has-prevailed-over-eu-mot-proposals-one-of-the-great-things-about-serving-as-a-minister-i.html



and

http://news.uk.msn.com/eu-waters-down-proposals-on-mot-1


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Makes you wonder what the point of this while thread was then !!
Shame as I still believe we need to MOT trailers

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Quote: Originally posted by bobsbabes on 19/6/2013
I think it makes sense to mot caravans so won't be signing


I agree with bobsbabes, this test will be best done when the van's being serviced so will encourage those who don't have theirs serviced to get the job done right. My mate always does his own, he won't listen when told the gas and electrics need a qualified person to check them over. He thinks he's saving money but the safety of his family comes into this and if an MOT will sort that out I'm all for it.

While we're at it, let's have regular checks on all trailers too. Agricultural and car trailers as well as Livestock and Horse trailers all rely on the owners to inspect or have them inspected yet they regularly share the roads and should therefore IMO be safe.

It's too late to wish we'd had the brakes checked after the accident has happened.

BB 



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Yes if the mot included a gas and electric test and maybe a damp text it would also stop so many accidents and stop people falling short when buying a caravan as so many people end up with damp vans because they don't know what to look for.


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I've got no worries about getting my caravan tested
after all our trailers at work hgv have to be tested
and new cars are exempt from mot for the first 3 years will it be the same for caravans ?
I'll just buy a new one every 3 years


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Quote: Originally posted by Basilbrush on 22/6/2013
Quote: Originally posted by bobsbabes on 19/6/2013
I think it makes sense to mot caravans so won't be signing


I agree with bobsbabes, this test will be best done when the van's being serviced so will encourage those who don't have theirs serviced to get the job done right. My mate always does his own, he won't listen when told the gas and electrics need a qualified person to check them over. He thinks he's saving money but the safety of his family comes into this and if an MOT will sort that out I'm all for it.

While we're at it, let's have regular checks on all trailers too. Agricultural and car trailers as well as Livestock and Horse trailers all rely on the owners to inspect or have them inspected yet they regularly share the roads and should therefore IMO be safe.

It's too late to wish we'd had the brakes checked after the accident has happened.

BB 





Do you honestly believe that dealers do an electrical and gas check? All they do is switch on lights etc and that is the electrical check. As for gas, they check the hose and whether the stove/oven etc works. I doubt if any dealer employs a qualified electrician as all that is required is a competent person. Anyway gas and electric in habitation will never be part of a MOT as a private person can do their own servicing no problem.


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Why do a lot of people assume that if you service your own caravan you are a hazard to other road users. I have always serviced my own vans not because I don't trust someone else to do it or to save money I do it because I can and really enjoy it and yes I commit the ultimate sin I check the gas system for leaks I have my own manometer I also use an endoscope to check for debris in the flu of the water heater etc the only thing I don't do is check the flue gases a friend does that for me ( costs me a brew and fig buiscuits )f i did find a gas leak or one of the gas appliances developed a fault i wouldnt hesitate in asking or paying someone with the appropriate skills to fix it i might be daft but not stupid I would have no fears in taking the van for an mot inspection although I don't agree with it as I said before if its the law then I would obey it



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