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Subject Topic: Bailey Alu-Tech Caravans, Leaking Water.
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01/7/2016 at 12:53pm
 Location: Cheshire
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Hi Just picked up on your posting. My name is Peter Johnson and I have the fore runner of your model a Senator Wyoming. In June I discovered that the inner front blind casements had come adrift and on examination it was revealed that the front frame was rotted due to water ingress from the construction joint of the front molded contour to the roof; further examination this week has revealed that the rear one is even more affected in that the side framework as well as the rear has rot in it too. So all in all the construction of mine and I am discovering others, are inherently faulty in method and design.
Bailey have advised me that the caravan is out of warranty and they cannot help; when courteously asked to.....I have been a caravanner since the 60's and believe that this an industry wide problem and a national disgrace, makers are in denial and ignoring their responsibilities. Please respond I am willing to help with a national campaign and legal fight which is what this requires once and for all. Regards
Peter J.


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01/7/2016 at 6:25pm
 Location: Sheffield
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Well just collected my Bailey alutech from its service and it's still not leaking so there are some out there which don't leak!


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01/7/2016 at 7:53pm
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Hi, Peter, not sure how old your Wyoming is. I would expect any water ingress to be picked up on an annual service before any major damage like rot occurs.

Has yours had a proper annual service.


01/7/2016 at 8:14pm
 Location: NORTH CORNELLY SOUT
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Is the Senator Wyoming Alu-tech construction ?


01/7/2016 at 10:52pm
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Prior to my purchase in2012 all services executed by dealer/s Since that time by a NWS agent

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01/7/2016 at 10:52pm
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No the previous model

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01/7/2016 at 10:53pm
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No A prior model

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01/7/2016 at 10:55pm
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Time will reveal all.We have an absolutely unacceptable problem...That is that none should leak ever...   

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02/7/2016 at 9:46am
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Quote: Originally posted by faldocourt on 01/7/2016
No A prior model



I only asked if it was an Alu-tech as I thought the original topic was Alu-tech leaks.



02/7/2016 at 8:45pm
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Quote: Originally posted by faldocourt on 01/7/2016
Time will reveal all.We have an absolutely unacceptable problem...That is that none should leak ever...   



That is something that will never happen. After 500 years most things will break down and leak.

It is part of the manufacturers instructions for maintenance to have servicing carried out including damp checks. If damp is found, the cause needs to be found and rectified promptly. This may be resealing awning rails etc.

Do I take it the van hasn't been regularly serviced.



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06/7/2016 at 11:11pm
 Location: Nottingham
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About this time last year, I started a post to the effect that Toyota should make caravans. In 2010, I paid about 22 grand for a new Toyota Rav4 and have had over 80,000 trouble free miles. A year ago, I paid roughly the same amount for a new Bailey Unicorn Valencia. I have used it for three holidays and without boring you with detail, it's a sack of ****. It's my one and only new caravan in 25 years of caravanning and I wish I'd stuck to buying second hand caravans. If I were about half my age and had a load of money, I would develop a caravan factory in Poland, as I know that it's a country that produces well educated workers with the right attitude (ask Amazon).
I would produce quality caravans at a competitive price, bypassing the sharks who sell caravans in the UK and I would put Bailey, swift and all the others out of business within 10 years, or at least get them to get their act together and stop treating us as gullible punters.

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06/7/2016 at 11:16pm
 Location: Derbyshire
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Yes, Our Polish Freedom caravan was flawless over 8 years, they're only little vans though, so people don't buy them.


07/7/2016 at 8:25am
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Since submitting my response to the Allutech appeal, although that member has not responded, I have been thru a lot of media and have received considerable response.
It's apparent that Bailey as others have a major problem and that can be addressed in one sentence. Caravans do not meet one basic requirement generally"being a product that is manufactured to function in the outdoors its number one prerequisite is to be waterproof"; sadly, most are not. I am not talking about cosmetic aspects such as sealing a window or door joint, that has been damaged or bumped. The caravan public are being sold short and it is time that this aspect of ownership was addressed or dealt with under one basic rule "fit for purpose". Mr. manufacturer is in denial. My Bailey should have been recalled along with most others, in that the structural integrity of the roof is unfit if it lets in water. Resealing from the outside of the molded contours front and rear is unacceptable. The joint is an integral part of the construction and should be one for life and if it fails as they do, all to frequently, then that is an inherently faulty design and subsequent manufacture. Regardless of age and amount of use.At the end of the day we aren't talking about a knock down priced piece of camping fabric or waterproof sheet, it is a manufactured item costing £30,000 that should observe its basic functional requirement of being waterproof..............warranty terms are not an excuse or a get out, of a responsibility by a manufacture to assemble a product that is fit for purpose. Which is what is happening in that industry.

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07/7/2016 at 10:13am
 Location: Denbighshire
 Outfit:  VW Touran
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In this thread my case was mentioned by Wobbly Box . It is well documented on this site under "Katyoxoo".   It was a Bailey Retreat Willow. Next was an Elldis Super Cyclone that is also documented on here.
It is a bad state of affairs that the caravan industry that in the 21st century they are incapable of waterproofing a box.

I have been a caravanner since the early 1950 s in an Eccles Alert complete with leaded Windows . After spending over £55k in total recently on NEW caravans and battling with don't give a shxt dealers we no longer have or want another caravan.
Our findings are that simple Bailey and Elldis cannot waterproof a box
Period.
It grieves me to see our old Super Cyclone on sale as a used item ,no mention that it has had the roof off to repair the water ingress ....or in my speak water leak.   Thankyou to all those who gave me advice and guidance ....but our Caravaning Days have sadly come to an end thanks to don't give a toss manufacturers...these are our findings .

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11/9/2016 at 8:14pm
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Very Very interested to read all this - we bought a Bailey Olympus 525 2010 in 2011 from an independent dealer, successfully transferred the warranty and took it for it's 2nd service (1st having been done with previous owner) with the only registered Bailey dealer were we live. They told us we had water ingress caused by caravan not being sealed right at factory. They removed and resealed the bumpers and skirts in 1/2013. On next 2 services, damp still showing but going down. Instructed to bring it back for a summer check as checks were usually done in winter in line with service. Took it back last summer after winter service - still damp showing. Advised by engineer to go home pull back vinyl and put blow heater in to help drying out process. Alarm bells started to ring!! Had to cut and pull vinyl back - floor at back of caravan black at both corners and spongy. Done what we were told to do, but floor too damaged, so caravan had to go back to have new section put in at back. Out in van this summer - ball rolled in under front of van - looked up, floor appeared to be spongy at corner. Took front locker trays out to discover more black spongy floor at front corners. Also new floor starting to show signs of black damp again. We seem to be a football, being bounced from the independent dealer who we bought the caravan from, to the Bailey registered dealer who is the only one in our area, and Bailey. We have a caravan that we cannot sell on because of the reoccurring damp problem. We are at present being advised by Trading Standards on a course of action with regards to this. Seems like it is the dealer who needs to sort it - not Bailey, or the Registered Bailey Dealer, who has already done repairs. We are reluctant to have anymore repairs done, as the first repairs have not worked (and we did not get any type of guarantee for the repair work carried out) - we just want rid of it now. We are not prepared to play the waiting game on this anymore - 4 years of hell has been quite long enough!! Our lovely dream of retirement and a little caravan to boob around in has turned into a nightmare...lots of sleepless nights and stress:(   


12/9/2016 at 8:52am
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Hi OwlKandS,
I have read enough plights and sad accounts about this absolutely unacceptable situation,it makes my blood boil. Your one also lights up the fact that we have had 50 plus years of consumer legislation only to be faced with its massive failure and the almost inept actions of the Trading Standards service.
Someone somewhere should grab hold of what is clearly a collosal failure in an industry that is ignoring its number one responsibility, it is in total denial.
I would sugest that the Trading Standards body takes this whole matter up with the industry and even brings in the WHICH organisation, starting first on here by collecting all the reports of failed situations and then pressure through the whole caravanning media to unearth many more and to stop it, once and for all.
Good luck and count on my two pennuth.............

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