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16/8/2015 at 1:30pm
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Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/8/2015Having a moan on here may not seem constructive, and it's certainly no substitute for taking the matter up the the dealer, but it may just help someone decide what caravan NOT to buy, or what dealer not to go with.



Exactly my point. Why base a decision to buy or not to buy based on the views of the vocal minority who go on as many different forums they can and start multiple threads about the same issues??

If you spent time to look into these moans they are all made by less than 20 people. Hardly a sound foundation for making a decision and it scares people unnecessarily. There is a thread on here from someone looking to buy their first van and the comments on here scare them unnecessarily. The majority of vans from all brands are perfectly ok.



By the same token only a very small percentage of people who use caravans post on forums. Probably less than 1%!


16/8/2015 at 1:32pm
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Quote: Originally posted by iank01 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/8/2015Having a moan on here may not seem constructive, and it's certainly no substitute for taking the matter up the the dealer, but it may just help someone decide what caravan NOT to buy, or what dealer not to go with.


Exactly my point. Why base a decision to buy or not to buy based on the views of the vocal minority who go on as many different forums they can and start multiple threads about the same issues??

If you spent time to look into these moans they are all made by less than 20 people. Hardly a sound foundation for making a decision and it scares people unnecessarily. There is a thread on here from someone looking to buy their first van and the comments on here scare them unnecessarily. The majority of vans from all brands are perfectly ok.



By the same token only a very small percentage of people who use caravans post on forums. Probably less than 1%!



How have you established this?

No way of knowing how many non members are reading some of the drivel written on here.


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16/8/2015 at 1:48pm
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Well it appears to me that there are lots of people just trying to justify why the have a tired old van and can't stop banging on about it

Life's experience tell me and most others that we all want the best available to us

If we want to pay £25k for a new van then that's our business - but we should get top value for money

Remember that you need people like us to buy new vans so that in 20 years time you can buy it cheap - but what state they will be in I have no idea

How much you pay for your van is of no interest to me - I have sorted my new Coachman out now - but not everyone can do that and peolple shoul be aware of the potential pitfalls when spending such large amounts

So stop being smug about old vans being no problem and stick to the original point of the thread



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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 09/8/2015
The UK caravan/motorhome industry is a cosy little club that the large continental manufacturers have not seriously bothered to penetrate, so why should anybody bother to try any harder? Customers can have what they are offered or they can leave it.




I don't know where you get your info from but you are wrong about motorhomes. European motorhomes are extremely popular in the UK!! For example, the Hymer Group alone (Burstner, Carado, Dethleffs, Laika, Niesmann & Bischoff, etc, etc) are extremely desirable and very popular in the UK. They are all top quality units.



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Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/8/2015Having a moan on here may not seem constructive, and it's certainly no substitute for taking the matter up the the dealer, but it may just help someone decide what caravan NOT to buy, or what dealer not to go with.



Exactly my point. Why base a decision to buy or not to buy based on the views of the vocal minority who go on as many different forums they can and start multiple threads about the same issues??

If you spent time to look into these moans they are all made by less than 20 people. Hardly a sound foundation for making a decision and it scares people unnecessarily. There is a thread on here from someone looking to buy their first van and the comments on here scare them unnecessarily. The majority of vans from all brands are perfectly ok.



I wonder if you would say nothing on this forum if you bought a new van as has the OP and many others, only to find several faults, some critical.
Would you class yourself as having a unecessary moan and slagging off our wonderful caravan manufacturers!
Or as you have mentioned in one of your posts that it is possibly making your Bailey caravan worth less if you try to sell it?
Which I suppose is a valid point if all potential buyers are members of this forum.

I can't remember the figures quoting a massive rise in caravanners in the UK over the years, so as one poster has said, this and other forums are a drop in the ocean compared to actual caravan owners?

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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 16/8/2015
Iteresting how the 1980s/90s caravans on ebay are mainly ABI and Elddis, not many Baileys or Swifts.



maybe cause bailey and swift didnt last long enough to resell at that age

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18/8/2015 at 4:07pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Sylvan on 16/8/2015
I don't know where you get your info from but you are wrong bout the motorhomes. European motorhomes are extremely popular in the UK!! For example, the Hymer Group alone (Burstner, Carado, Dethleffs, Laika, Niesmann & Bischoff, etc, etc) are extremely desirable and very popular in the UK. They are all top quality units.


Motorhomes are not caravans and certainly the major European manufacturers have not seriously tried to penetrate the UK caravan market. I humbly apologise to yourself and all other pedants for not being more caravan specific.


18/8/2015 at 8:17pm
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Quote: Originally posted by VangoMan02 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by checkley1973 on 16/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Colin21 on 15/8/2015Having a moan on here may not seem constructive, and it's certainly no substitute for taking the matter up the the dealer, but it may just help someone decide what caravan NOT to buy, or what dealer not to go with.


Exactly my point. Why base a decision to buy or not to buy based on the views of the vocal minority who go on as many different forums they can and start multiple threads about the same issues??

If you spent time to look into these moans they are all made by less than 20 people. Hardly a sound foundation for making a decision and it scares people unnecessarily. There is a thread on here from someone looking to buy their first van and the comments on here scare them unnecessarily. The majority of vans from all brands are perfectly ok.



I wonder if you would say nothing on this forum if you bought a new van as has the OP and many others, only to find several faults, some critical.
Would you class yourself as having a unecessary moan and slagging off our wonderful caravan manufacturers!
Or as you have mentioned in one of your posts that it is possibly making your Bailey caravan worth less if you try to sell it?
Which I suppose is a valid point if all potential buyers are members of this forum.

I can't remember the figures quoting a massive rise in caravanners in the UK over the years, so as one poster has said, this and other forums are a drop in the ocean compared to actual caravan owners?



I wouldn't need to come on here as a keyboard warrior. Much easier to deal with the retailer. Fair chance to fix it or go to court, and yes I have been to court with 2 retailers and one insurance company. Won all 3 times and with little effort. The courts are on the consumers side in most cases.


20/8/2015 at 7:19pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 18/8/2015
Quote: Originally posted by Sylvan on 16/8/2015I don't know where you get your info from but you are wrong bout the motorhomes. European motorhomes are extremely popular in the UK!! For example, the Hymer Group alone (Burstner, Carado, Dethleffs, Laika, Niesmann & Bischoff, etc, etc) are extremely desirable and very popular in the UK. They are all top quality units.

Motorhomes are not caravans and certainly the major European manufacturers have not seriously tried to penetrate the UK caravan market. I humbly apologise to yourself and all other pedants for not being more caravan specific.




No need for sarcasm!

Of course I realise that caravans aren't motorhomes! You made mention of motorhomes in YOUR a post. You said that the major European manufacturers hadn't penetrated the UK market in respect of both caravans and motorhomes. Clearly in respect of motorhomes they clearly have... Hence my comment.


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22/8/2015 at 10:14am
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Tbf European motorhome makers have hardly penetrated an already tiny UK market. All they offer is rhd vehilces with everything else set up for lhd. Hymer A class with both cab and hab doors on wrong side for a rhd country. Those that chose to buy vehicles like this will probably mostly be using then in Europe but that is beside the point. If European makers of both m/h and caravans wanted to seriously penetrate the UK market they would produce units fully specced for rhd market and set up proper dealer networks.

Over the past 30yrs most Euro makes have produced left side door caravans but only in small bursts and only Adria atm produce a few UK spec caravans from their large range. Adrias only sell in small numbers in the UK which does seem to suggest, as other posters have pointed out, that UK caravan industry must be doing something right.


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Quote: Originally posted by Billy x on 22/8/2015
Tbf European motorhome makers have hardly penetrated an already tiny UK market. All they offer is rhd vehilces with everything else set up for lhd. Hymer A class with both cab and hab doors on wrong side for a rhd country. Those that chose to buy vehicles like this will probably mostly be using then in Europe but that is beside the point. If European makers of both m/h and caravans wanted to seriously penetrate the UK market they would produce units fully specced for rhd market and set up proper dealer networks.

Over the past 30yrs most Euro makes have produced left side door caravans but only in small bursts and only Adria atm produce a few UK spec caravans from their large range. Adrias only sell in small numbers in the UK which does seem to suggest, as other posters have pointed out, that UK caravan industry must be doing something right.




What do you mean by 'everything is set up for lhd'? Most A class motorhomes have only one door - the habitation door, it doesn't matter what side that's on.

You say people buying this type of vehicle would probably use them in Europe.... I expect you mean on the continent.... obviously if that is the case you'd buy a lhd vehicle.

There is a network of dealers in the UK who supply European motorhomes.

I go back to what I said originally... your info isn't correct.


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As the OP I can now tell you that my Coachman is now 100% sorted and too my liking and in only 3 weeks

Everything works as it should and it's a real smart caravan now

Was it with the help of Coachman or the supplying dealer - was it hell !!

I sorted it all out myself just like the last 2 new vans I had.

Still that's me sorted - but it's a shame for the people who haven't got the ability to sort it out themselves

It won't worry 95% of the posters on this thread as they don't buy new vans and so they have no interest.

Never mind though - what does it matter


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Nearest Hymer dealer to Essex is Yarmouth so hardly comprehensive cover compared to say Swift. Most UK reg motorhomes I see abroad are rhd drive because that is what UK drivers are used to and that is what they want. Of course it matters what side the hab door is on. On a rhd it should be on left so vehicle is properly rhd spec.

The foreign makers are not interested enough in the UK market to produce motorhomes or caravans fully specced for rhd market, they offer product on a take it or leave it basis with dealer networks far smaller than UK makers. The Germans make lovely caravans and motorhomes imo and it does seem strange to me that they have never seriously attempted to crack the UK market.


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What are you on about Compress? If you start a thread on here then expect opinions and points to be raised that you may not neccesarily like or agree with but usually ends up as a useful and informative thread that is of benefit not just to the op but to all those who care to read and/or contribute to it.


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Just an update from the OP

It's the last weekend in October and my wife and I are sitting in our lovely Coachman in Stratford

The Alde heating and special insulation package make it a joy to sit here as warm as toast

It has been a traumatic experience buying another new van and I will be in no hurry to change this one

If my posting of my troubles helped anyone then that was the original purpose of the listing

Should I ever decide to sell my business and start again - without doubt I would be a caravan dealer - very easy money and a long queue of people eager to spend

Anyway must turm my Alde down a bit it's getting a bit to warm in here

Going to try all year round caravanning in this one - wish me luck


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Should I ever decide to sell my business and start again - without doubt I would be a caravan dealer - very easy money and a long queue of people eager to spend


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