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06/6/2009 at 7:01pm
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  Hi i bought may van in march (got it in seasonal pitch) its a 1999 compass ralye gte water heater worked fine at first but now when i turn it on the geen light comes on and a few seconds later the red light  comes on plenty of gas in bottle what could the mater be tried running taps water comes out. i dont now if the water will work off electric how would i no if there is electric water heater sorry for sounding thick first time i had hot water in van June 



06/6/2009 at 7:12pm
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Right if its a carver 2 heater then it sounds like you have air in the system! it was very annoying when we tried it.

If it is the carver 2 let me know and ill scan and email the instructions as i believe i still have them from my other van!!

cheers andy



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06/6/2009 at 7:21pm
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 i think  it is 2 it just says carver rapide on small booklet that was with van but it dont tell you anything if i have air in system how do i get it out and would water come out of tap thanx june


06/6/2009 at 8:09pm
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Hey Fairy

Hubby's just told me your having a few problems.  Try this web site

http://www.thomson-caravans.co.uk/advice/instructions/carverheater2.htm

Hope this helps.  I'm sure I have another link for the rapide but may take a while.  Until then good luck.  I think it took my an hour once to bleed the air out of the system after winter.  Just keep switching it on and off I was told and it eventually worked.

TTFN Pam (Andy's better half)



06/6/2009 at 8:15pm
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Hey Fairy

Me again lol.  Ok found the other link.

http://www.swift-owners-club.com/tips/oem_handbooks/carver/carver_cascade2_rapide.pdf

TTFN Pam



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06/6/2009 at 9:11pm
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If you keep switching it on until it goes red you will eventually get the air out of the system but it can take alot of goes. You will have a single switch switch (like a light switch) with a single red light on, if you can run on electric as well as gas.

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06/6/2009 at 10:34pm
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contact gary hes our expert on boilers.see also bottom left of page for manuals.

http://www.arcsystems.biz/

says if green light comes on and a few seconds later the red shows,switch off,wait three minutes the press the on button again.repeat if required.

 



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07/6/2009 at 9:40am
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 thank you all for your help i will keep trying and let u no how i get on


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This overview should hopefully help find an answer;

The Carver Cascade 2 is a 9 litre storage water heater, which when running on gas will heat the water to 65deg c in about 45 minutes. On 240V mains assuming it has this facility, the time can be somewhat longer or shorter depending on the wattage (630w 3amp to 840w 5amp) of the element fitted, you can use both gas and electric together for faster times.
To operate the gas there is a wall switch or a switch within a main control panel, either way both have three lights green, amber and red. When switched on the green lights, (water tank must be full, i.e. water coming from hot taps), if it stays on after about 8 seconds then the gas has lit and all is well. If the green is joined by the red then you may have a problem, but if the gas bottle has just been changed then air in the pipes will have to be bled through by repeating the above 2 or 3 times. Once lit, and it should light without any pops and bangs, (this would indicate it needs a service), the heater looks after itself and gives constant hot water. Any problems will cause it to shut down safely and show the red light. Forget the amber light, it's to show low voltage and won't light unless the voltage is so low the heater and everything else packed up long since, though you may notice it 'flash' as the switch is turned on or off.
The 240v immersion heater if fitted is totally separate, and lies behind a white plastic box on the inboard end of the water tank. It is controlled by a switch, often close by and at floor level, but again sometimes as part of a remote control panel. The switch has a red light to show it's 'on', not that it's working, this will be determined by the water getting hot. If it does not then it may have 'tripped' Two types exist, early circa 1990 are non-re-settable but are repairable. Later models have a Red button on the end of the plastic box which is sometimes behind a little flap. Switch off mains, and press to reset.
Other faults concerning the gas side very often come down to the 'Burner Module'. This handy little unit contains the burner, gas valve and all the electronics which control it and is accessible from behind the cover outside of the van. In the event things go wrong it's a 5 minute job to replace it, with a new or serviced exchange unit. One other safety device is a wax filled 'fusible' plug, this again is behind the outer cover and shows itself as a 13 mm nut set in the fins above the burner. The wax will melt if things get too hot allowing hot water from the tank to spray over the burner and put the flame out. This will render things safe but will require a new module because it's control circuitry is faulty. However given if the fuse 'blows' without the water apparently getting to hot then replacing the plug will be sufficient. The point to note here is that over time the wax in the plug degrades or the threads leak, at the very least allowing water to seep onto the burner causing it to rust and eventually will still require replacement of the whole burner module.
Further problems that come to light in spring is the discovery of frost damage to the water tank, the non-return valve which is part of the cold water inlet and other plastic fittings. Failing to drain the heater when there is a chance of temperatures dropping below freezing can be very expensive to repair and should be avoided by removing the drain bung and allowing the heater to drain completely. Later models have a valve above the drain hole in the top left corner of the flue cowl, these have a 'toggle' showing that when turned a ¼ in any direction will allow air into the tank and assist the draining. Older models still have the valve but the flue cowl needs to be removed and the valve end pulled to open it, in this case opening all taps in the van will do much the same thing. It is most important that the drain bung is then only placed back into the hole and not screwed in, any water left in the system can then drain away.
Frost damage to the tank will be obvious by the leaking water from the damaged seal, the damaged non-return valve quite often will prevent water coming from the hot taps although the cold water flow will be fine. Other fittings are often cracked by the pressure of the frozen water and will leak on refilling the system.


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 hi i am down at the van now (raining ) so been trying and now discovered the water works off electric and it has got hot so at least i have hot water off electric. thank you all. june



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