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30/7/2009 at 2:01pm
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I feel that many of the water ingress problems of modern caravans are caused by the stresses and strains that are put on the van by the awning being attached to the rail around the roof/side of the van.

Awnings are a big area of cloth and when it is windy, the strain tugging on that rail and consequently the van has to do some damage.

On any caravan or motor caravan that we have had in the past, the first sign of water ingress has appeared along the line of the awning rail.

On investigation I was surprised to see that that rail is attached to the van with no reinforcing what so ever and that both sides of the van use exactly the same sizes of frame or composite boarding.

Compare the strength of a yacht mast to that of a caravan! They both hold material that gets buffeted by the wind yet the former is far stronger and more robust than the latter.

On my caravan the awning is not attached directly to the van. There is a one meter long tunnel between the two and it is only this that causes any strain on the van, the awning being a stand alone unit in its own right. Also this tunnel is attached to the van by 50mm wide Hook & Loop, (Velcro), spreading the load and lowering any strain.

Indeed the only part of the awning that is connected to the van in the conventional way is the skirt across the bottom of the tunnel.

Reading the complaints of folks that write to UKCS pages the majority appear to be caused by water ingress, especially but not always, with second-hand vans.

I feel that this is an area where those that manufacture caravans and motorhomes should be looking at more carefully and start putting “build quality” before fancy furniture.

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30/7/2009 at 3:14pm
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i have a long length of rope specially designed to thread through the awning rail before fitting,after which you attach the awning cord and pull through using this rope.it is assisted by loops of rope hanging down the full length.got it from a lady who changed from a van to motorhome.not seen one since.



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30/7/2009 at 4:02pm
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Our awning rail on the Esterel is on the top of the roof instead of the side not sure if this will make any difference we've not had it for 2 weeks yet! Asked on the FCs part of the forum but will ask here as well! Does anyone know if a normal caravan awning will fit our folding caravan? It measures 830 A-A I was thinking that the only 'problem' we may have is that both ends are square rather than one being sloping not sure if this will cause a problem?

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30/7/2009 at 4:13pm
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andi ask here

http://www.nrawning.co.uk/

 <info at nrawnings.net>



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30/7/2009 at 4:17pm
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Thanks Michael!

Andi


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I agree with you Lobey - doesn't make any sense really does it? This is the main reason that we have never used an awning on any caravan we have owned. We would like one now though, having bought a small van, but can't bring ourselves to buy one

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30/7/2009 at 5:22pm
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Yup totally agree also, my previous caravan had slight water ingress on a few areas round the awning rail. On closer inspection, I found that the rail was not attached in places and the screws just kept turning. However, I did eventually fix it. I got an awning with my present van, but gave it away to a bloke I met at Inverary camp site.


30/7/2009 at 5:40pm
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I've never considered that but it does make complete sense that a heavy awning is going to put stress on that area.  So would you also say damp found in any area could also be caused by the awning on the side as it's pulling those sides out of place?  It makes sense to me but i'm not sure that i would not use my awning as i find it so useful :(

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30/7/2009 at 7:02pm
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I agree and that is also a reason why I will never have one of those awnings that hang permanently on the side of the van. This is purely a personal view and not based on any scientific research.

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30/7/2009 at 8:20pm
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I have got one of those Awnings that hang from the side of the Van, but its such a pain in the backside to pack back into its case in situ that I end up taking the whole thing down to roll and pack up on the ground.

I only use it when we are expecting family down to join us, but totally agree about the stress it puts on the awning rail, especially in a strong breeze when we have heared it creak loudly at times. its also prone to having the upper part of the storage pod which is attached flap and bang against the caravan roof, which cannot be good for the paintwork. After reading this I think we will be using it even less and taking the Monty4 for our daughters to say in if they wish to join us, it just rules out using CC sites that dont allow tents and being a bit more expensive in having to pay another pitch fee for the Monty.

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31/7/2009 at 5:51pm
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The CC will allow a tent as long as it is on the pitch that your "van" is on and  not for another complete family.  Have you considered the inner tent for your awning, thats what we did when my son asked if he could come with us.



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31/7/2009 at 7:39pm
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I cannot understand how "hanging an inner tent" in an awning will relieve the strain on the awning rail.

When our first van started showing signs of water ingress along the wall that the awning attached to, we stripped the panelling off and took out the insulation just leaving the wood frame in place. (it was an older van),

The frame from about sink level upwards needed replaced. The top strip that the awning rail was screwed to had more screws than a shark has teeth and was so rotten that it came out with a spoon.

The screws that were there were so rusted that they had swollen to twice their original width and hed to be cut off with an angle grinder.

While the original mastic tape was still in place it was clear that the stress on the awning rail had parted the wall from the roof allowing water to continually seep through onto the wooden frame. This had been "fixed" by drilling and screwing in more screws.

A new frame, Sikoflex and the extra holes in the awning rail filled with aluminium body sealer and we had a watertight van again.

We sold that van (a Transit motorhome) about 6 years ago to a motorcycle display team and it is still going strong and completely watertight. I mst have done something right!!! 17



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31/7/2009 at 8:18pm
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never really thought about it lobey but as my awning is never up in windy conditions the strain on the rail should be small, funny but it was the opposite side rail that started leaking on mine, it does face the prevailing wind and rain and as you know the wind and rain on the coast is like a pressure washer on the van

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31/7/2009 at 8:21pm
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Hi Alan, Did you find out why it started to leak? And did you get it sorted?

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01/8/2009 at 7:34am
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Quote: Originally posted by LobeyDosser on 31/7/2009

I cannot understand how "hanging an inner tent" in an awning will relieve the strain on the awning rail.


Oops,I misunderstood the original posting. You are quite right of course Lobey. I thought the OP was looking for extra space and completely missed the point regarding the tent was to replace the awning.   17

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01/8/2009 at 7:33pm
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Quote: Originally posted by LobeyDosser on 31/7/2009


Hi Alan, Did you find out why it started to leak? And did you get it sorted?

aye mike, sealant failed round the heater flue and a wee bit on the rail the wood was sound, big dollop of 512 on the heater flue, rail off, cleaned and w4 roll with a bead of 512. been bone dry since



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