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22/8/2009 at 10:00am
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The introduction of MOT, suggested by some, would take quite a while to set up. Not to mention the addition of several thousand beaurocrat's wages, setting up test centres, training staff. Almost enough employment to seriously reduce the unemployed stats. Plus many thousands of caravans would be off the road overnight, if testing began, because they may fail to pass the test. Caravans would also have to carry a registration showing year of make, and to identify every 'van on the road. But if it would generate more revenue for government, be sure someone, somewhere is talking about it.
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22/8/2009 at 8:51pm
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Hound the caravans off the road and it will leave more space for overloaded foreign lorries, boy racers, and speeding reps. Plus all us 'vanners can go abroad and spend our holiday cash in some other country other than our own. It makes perfect sense - if you are insane! By law your trailer already has to be fit for the purpose of its use and roadworthy. If it is not, then you are committing an offence and can be punished if you are caught. So why not stop more caravans at hgv checkpoints and issue education to unroadworthy trailer owners so that they mend their trailers and their attitudes to safety.
Most caravan owners pay alot of ££ for their home from home and keep them in good condition and safe. Educate or punish the few offenders at the roadside and then mot for caravan will not be needed. I for one would be happy to be stopped by ministry of transport at hgv weighbridge sites to check my outfit for road safety, and anything found would be fixed pronto. But because i value my familys safety, i would expect to find all is in order. Those who flaunt the law of the land should be punished, but why punish all trailer owners with more red tape if it can be avoided? I see loads of excessive speed and irratic (drunk/drug) driving on my travels around the UK, but very few dangerous looking towing outfits. Very little is done to target these common offences, so why force red tape onto a minority such as ours, which has an even smaller minority of offenders? Seems a bit like our police force wasting many hours of work trying to stop our youngsters buying alcohol but spending almost no time or resource stopping them buying drugs. Good old mad UK :-(
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22/8/2009 at 10:16pm
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Quote: Originally posted by pajaholic on 22/8/2009You've quoted me somewhat out of context.
You suggest that caravanning has a coffin. I contend that it's never been healthier. As for people caravanning for financial reasons, I reject the idea that caravanning is a cheap alternative to other holidays. It may once have been, but not these days when you can fly to the South of France for a penny.You suggest that a trailer MOT might cost "a couple of hundred quid". A car MOT costs around £40, so why would a trailer MOT cost five times as much?
Quote: Now one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how gullible are the sheeple. Someone says that untested caravans are dangerous and you believe them?! If they're so dangerous, they must leave a trail of carnage across the country ... but where are these fatalities that arise from untested caravans?
Something doesn't have to be fatal to be dangerous. And there are enough caravans reported as "overturned" every day on radio traffic reports to show that there's a problem. Maybe that problem is with unsafe trailers, maybe it's something else...But think of this - if there were no MOTs for cars do you think that would improve safety?
Quote: Originally posted by doit on 22/8/2009I for one would be happy to be stopped by ministry of transport at hgv weighbridge sites to check my outfit for road safety, and anything found would be fixed pronto.
Would you? I wouldn't be happy to have my journey interrupted and to be made late. I would be very unhappy, especially if that's seen as some kind of alternative to an annual safety inspection.
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23/8/2009 at 4:34pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Viggo on 22/8/2009
Quote: Originally posted by pajaholic on 22/8/2009
Now one thing that never ceases to amaze me is how gullible are the sheeple. Someone says that untested caravans are dangerous and you believe them?! If they're so dangerous, they must leave a trail of carnage across the country ... but where are these fatalities that arise from untested caravans?
Something doesn't have to be fatal to be dangerous. And there are enough caravans reported as "overturned" every day on radio traffic reports to show that there's a problem. Maybe that problem is with unsafe trailers, maybe it's something else...
I strongly suspect that it is something else. Notwithstanding that, where are all the reports of serious injury that these "daily overturned trailers"(sic) cause. Please provide links to reports of five or six that involve serious injury so that we might be enlightened. If you cannot that would strongly suggest that the whole subject of "unsafe trailers" is a storm in a teacup, which thus does not warrant legislation.
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23/8/2009 at 4:37pm
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Quote: Originally posted by Viggo on 22/8/2009
... But think of this - if there were no MOTs for cars do you think that would improve safety?
I don't think that MOTs improve safety one jot over the system I'd prefer to see in place.I strongly suspect that unannounced, random inspections done often enough that most motorists would be checked at least once each year will be a stronger incentive to ensure that your car is always roadworthy than one test on that one "special" day each year. With the MOT, I've know people who've continued to drive dangerous cars in the belief that provided they get the brakes, exhaust, steering, tyres, etc. fixed for the MOT they'll be OK. Also, once the MOT is over, the same people are pretty much free to let their cars deteriorate to a dangerous state again. With random testing, you could be tested the next time you drive and so you can't be sure of "getting away with it" for months on end like you can with the MOT system.
You say that you wouldn't be happy to have your journey interrupted by a random test. I say that you're putting your own convenience before road safety and thus have no moral grounds to criticise those who object to MOTs on financial grounds, let alone those who object to the MOT system (full stop) on the grounds that it's less than optimal.
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23/8/2009 at 6:25pm
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pajaholic, or may i say Geoff, your post is exactly what i had in mind when i put this in my previous post:-
"I for one would be happy to be stopped by ministry of transport at hgv weighbridge sites to check my outfit for road safety, and anything found would be fixed pronto. But because i value my familys safety, i would expect to find all is in order. Those who flaunt the law of the land should be punished, but why punish all trailer owners with more red tape if it can be avoided?"
Nobody would cheer in excitement if they were pulled in for a random check, and i suspect nobody would be delighted at the idea of a delay while their outfit is checked over. Having driven HGVs for alot of years, i know this is exactly what happens with them, depite them having an annual mot from year 1. These heavy and usually high mileage vehicles can be called into testing stations to test anything the ministry feel needs testing at any time. So truck operators keep them in good state of repair, and therefore as safe as possible. If the same risk of being 'nabbed' was there for trailer towing non-commercial vehicles, then maybe less people would take the risk.
I just wish my thoughts on this were as clearly conveyed as pajaholic has conveyed his!
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04/9/2009 at 4:04pm
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MOT for a Car costs £40 Where???? It cost £54(VSOA cost for class IV) for mine and i had to help the examiner do some of the tests.
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04/9/2009 at 4:58pm
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My last MOT cost me £39.
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MOT for a Car costs £40 Where???? It cost £54(VSOA cost for class IV) for mine and i had to help the examiner do some of the tests.
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04/9/2009 at 7:13pm
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Another reason for caravan testing coming eventually is the current ongoing saga of agricultural tractors and trailers to have some form of vehicular test. Despite intense resistance from farmers this is a strong campaign at the minute and if that comes about, the test centres will be geared up for trailer testing - after that it will be a money generation system for the rest of towing "trailers"
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04/9/2009 at 9:25pm
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YOU will need a MOT in 2013 at a round £100 Caravans over 5 years old
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05/9/2009 at 9:21am
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Quote: Originally posted by kenles on 04/9/2009
YOU will need a MOT in 2013 at a round £100 Caravans over 5 years old
Do you have a link for this? Even better, can you cite the legislation that introduces this?
FWIW, I've searched the UK Statute Law database, OPSI, and the 'net generally and found nothing. However, I did find that the 3rd EU Driving Licence Directive must be implimented by 19 Jan 2013, and that this changes the current categories B and B-plus-E to add complications and further testing and/or mandatory instruction for those who wish to tow trailers.
I also found the echo of something allegedly from Havant Council that's no longer available in which Google quoted, "...obligation for trailers to have the equivalent of an MOT regularly...". However, this could merely be someone suggesting such a scheme and cannot be construed as anything more.
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