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Subject Topic: Bought New Van at NEC now what? Post Reply Post New Topic
20/10/2009 at 7:47pm
 Location: Midlands
 Outfit: Freelander 2 TD4 Lunar Lexon 530
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Ok all Have a dilema. really need your advice.

Struck a deal at the NEC to P/Ex our Bretagne with a Swift, lots of reason why we want out of the Bailey, but the crux of it is that its the wrong layout for us and Im 6'2".. anyway thats by the by... got a good Pex and bought one of the dealer specials, left a deposit with the assurance that our van will be a 2010MY registered in 2010. However and here's the dilema. The dealer states that he needs the transaction complete before end of year to avoid good old Gordons tax hike, which I understand, but on reflection this means that I will have to take and leave my van at the dealer, leave them the balance(to complete all of the monies transfer) but then not collect my van until next year. It didn't strike me at the time that this is high risk surely, as what happens if the dealer goes bump... thats all my money gone(15K)? or am I being to mistrusting? Can I get some form of indemnity insurance or similar?

 

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20/10/2009 at 8:23pm
 Location: Surrey
 Outfit: Bailey Valencia + Lexus RX400h
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Pay with a credit card and you are covered for the company going bust (although check with your credit card company to confirm this).



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20/10/2009 at 8:48pm
 Location: Midlands
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Sure can do that for the balance... but the PX of the van is Circa 3 times more than the amount would be on the C CArd?

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20/10/2009 at 9:13pm
 Location: N. Ireland
 Outfit: Sprite Quattro Landrover Freelander
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My advice based on what you are saying is to hold on to your van until you see sight of the new van. Sure it might cost you a little more money but again it might not. The truth is no one really knows what is going to happen to the VAT rate in Jan and like yourselves the dealers at the NEC were really playing on it with us as well. There is no reason for not paying the balance on the van by credit card but retaining your old van until the new one arrives. That way they have your intentions confirmed and you wont lose anything that cant be recovered if the worst happens.

Our friends had this happen to them with a motor home whereby they had left their van as part exchange for next years model. Fortunately they heard a whisper and managed to retrieve their van before the gates closed - a lot of others weren't so lucky.

This is where i love the American Escrow system.



20/10/2009 at 9:15pm
 Location: Lincs
 Outfit: Skoda Yeti and Coach
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If dealer goes bust and has your van/money you will lose out pay by credit cards get limit upped if needed.   Same goes if buying a car. Dont trust anyone if a large amount of money is involved

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20/10/2009 at 9:18pm
 Location: Wales
 Outfit: Bailey pageant imperial (Impy)
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When we were looking into this and as I understand it 17 the salesman told us that they raise an invoice for the VAT in December before the VAT increase it doesn't have to be paid but it is there for the records that the van was 'purchased' before VAT increases...Perhaps get in touch with the dealer again and ask them to explain what happens.



20/10/2009 at 9:31pm
 Location: N. Ireland
 Outfit: Sprite Quattro Landrover Freelander
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Salesman told us that as well but sales manager contradicted him when push came to shove. Swift could only invoice on dispatch therefore VAT would be at the rate at time of delivery.

One company were willing to hold deal price regardless of VAT rate. Tells me they were either making too much money on the deal if they could absorb the £400 or contrary to the scare mongering they didn't believe the VAT rate was going to change.



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20/10/2009 at 11:22pm
 Location: hants wilts dorset
 Outfit: GT60 540 6 + Terrano
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The VAT they pay on their purchase has little to do with the VAT you pay on your purchase (even if it happens to be the same item) so the argument of passing on the VAT or waiting for their supplier's invoice doesn't really hold water. On their VAT return they'll claim back the VAT they've paid and declare the VAT on their sales, and give the HMRC a cheque for the difference or request a refund if the difference is negative.

Shaz48's theory only works if the company you are buying off is not on the cash VAT scheme.

Regarding the original question, I'd ask if they are on cash accounting, and if not, just request an invoice prior to the end of the year. If they are on cash accounting (unlikely considering the size of most dealerships) then if you want to avoid the difference, pay the bill but keep your current 'van until you get your new one, although you still risk losing your money.

Credit card purchase protection will cover you if you've paid any amount over £100 towards the van on your credit card (e.g. your deposit) but the limit of it will depend on the card provider. Many don't cover more than £1000 or £1500, so it is unlikely to cover a substantial proportion of the van's value. As others have said, check with your provider that you have the right type of card etc.

hth a bit!



21/10/2009 at 9:24am
 Location: Surrey
 Outfit: Bailey Valencia + Lexus RX400h
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Thinking about it, wouldn't it be better to sell your van now privately? You should get more than you would for a part-exchange.

Then go to any dealer with the cash - might find one who can deliver much sooner and as a cash buyer, get a better deal as well?

 



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21/10/2009 at 10:12am
 Location: West Midlands
 Outfit:  Karsten
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We left a deposit last feb at the show on a new van, and then had a complete nightmare, lost half our deposit in the end after a battle for 6 mths, I would never buy at the show now, they will say any thing to close a deal!!!!

Surely the balance left to pay should stay the same now you have signed and paid your deposit?!

I would hold on to your present van and not pay a penny until your new van is ready, apart from anything else they say the new one will be ready early in the year but the one we ordered was ment to be ready for the easter, it didn't turn up until nearly June!!!! Had we part exed our van when he wanted us to we would have had to cancel 2 trips. Also everyone is so sure credit cards are protected, wait until you try to do a recharge?! (Not so helpful and easy as you think) Better to be careful and trust no one!



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