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was wondering if bituman paint was good for the chassis on caravans which are not galvanized and for wood.I have been told good against rust any one used it for this purpose and had good results?


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I dont know about bitumen paint but I would think the underseal that you can buy for cars would be very similar and would do the same job.

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10/12/2009 at 10:48pm
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Halfords sell an underseal that goes on with a gun powered by a compressor.

It is an Underseal that contains Waxoil and and I used to use this on the chassis and wooden floor of my motorhomes.

It does a good job and 3 tins of the stuff did a large motorhome,

The Waxoil "creeps" and so if the underseal gets chipped by loose stones etc, the waxoil will heal the bared metal or wood.



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Quote: Originally posted by oliver67 on 10/12/2009
was wondering if bituman paint was good for the chassis on caravans which are not galvanized and for wood.I have been told good against rust any one used it for this purpose and had good results?

 

Never paint the wood on your van with bitumen paint (I take it you mean the under side of the floor) It needs to breathe. You will be sealing in any moisture which will have the reverse effect......rot!  Give it a coat of proper wood preservative!

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Quote: Originally posted by Mick + Linda on 10/12/2009
Quote: Originally posted by oliver67 on 10/12/2009
was wondering if bituman paint was good for the chassis on caravans which are not galvanized and for wood.I have been told good against rust any one used it for this purpose and had good results?

 

Never paint the wood on your van with bitumen paint (I take it you mean the under side of the floor) It needs to breathe. You will be sealing in any moisture which will have the reverse effect......rot!  Give it a coat of proper wood preservative!

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I do not see any difference between the wood on the underside of a van and any other exterior wood.

If wood needed to breath, then why is most exterior wood painted?

I live between two boatyards and I can garuantee that there is not one single yacht in any of these yards that is painted with wood preservative!

Okay, they are not painted with bitumen paint either, but any wood is well sealed and I have sailed on yachts from these yards that are well over 100 years old.



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Bitumen paint as a rule is only used as a preservative on iron,steel and concrete.Some manufacturers say its fine to use on wood also.As an alternative i would use a top notch wood preservative like ronseal or cuprinol on the wooden floor.




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Underseal, which is a very similar stuff is all well and good on new metal, but once it has got the slightest bit of corrosion or moisture, it seals it in allowing the metal to corrode away underneath, leaving a chassis shaped layer of underseal, but no metal underneath. I used to weld a lot of cars and have seen this happen many times.

Someone also raised the question here a long time ago about painting the wooden floor with underseal. The concensus was that the floor is already treated and any attempt to seal the floor up will stop the wood breathing and is likely to cause more problems than it prevents.

Therefore, I would say no to putting it on either chassis or floor. If you want to protect the chassis, you won't beat hammerite for rust protection. This contains zinc so as as close as you will get to having it galvanized without taking it off and getting it dipped.



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You shouldn't use underseal or bitumen underneath the caravan, as stated, after a time it can unstick & trap moisture that rots both metal & wood. Serious rust & rot is caused by trapped water, water that cannot run away & the underside of a caravan usually has no water traps.

Its best just to paint the underneath with hammerite paint. If there are any metal box sections with drain holes make sure the holes are clear & squirt WD40 into the holes several times a yr.

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11/12/2009 at 8:37am
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Well I think horses for courses - underseal if the chassis is already clean but it won't stop existing rust, only cover it up. Hammerite would be more appropriate if the surface is not already clean

For timber  I would use a product designed for the purpose - bitumen is a building product. Not a timber treatment.

I think this talk about timber breathing is a load of rot personally. If it has moisture in it it has to dry out. When it is dry it can be sealed as per lobeydosser's boats. Once the tree is cut down it is dead and won't breath. However, it is my understanding that the floor of a caravan is treated for life and if it ain't broke don't fix it.



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11/12/2009 at 8:59am
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I used red oxide primer (Finnegans) then waxoyl on my Lold Land Rover it seemed to last well, and it was used for off road play!

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I've had two alleged gas fires 'catching fire' in motorhomes?!

On investigation in both cases under floor areas had been sprayed with underseal, it was this catching alight where it had coated the base of the fire.

Whatever you do then keep it away from this area



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well good reading must say i am confused ! I think i will go for red oxide and keep the floor as it is or find a wood  treatment as it is ply.I thought it might be a good idea perhaps not?


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Theres nothing to be confused about Oliver, the underneath of the caravan is upside down, the water runs off unless theres anything to trap it. Red oxide is a primer not a finish, you have to paint over it.

Hammerite dosen't require any primer or undercoat & the surface don't really have to be prepared. Remove any loose rust & just clean the underside with white spirit as much as you can, then just paint on 2-3 coasts of Hammerite, its recoatable in an hour so you can do the whole job in an afternoon.

Use the original hammered finish type Hammerite, black looks best. To save paint, just paint any rusted areas first so its thicker there, couple of coats, then 2 more coats on the whole lot.

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I would recommend wire brushing the chassis first to knock any loose rust off before painting with hammerite. Personally I would ho for silver as is had a galvanized look about it. I would avoid black, as if ever you need to do any work underneath the van, a light colour will reflect a lot more light underneath and make the job a lot easier. I recently rebuilt some electrical panels in work that were painted black inside. They were terrible to work on as you couldn't see anything without a light in there. I repainted them white and they are much better to work on, even without a light.

Regarding recoating hammerite, check the instructions on the tin, I am sure I read on the tin somewhere that if the next coat is not applied within a few hours it has to be left for something like 8 weeks to cure before another coat can be applied. Personally I would just give it one thick coat and give it another coat every few months until it has built up.

By the way, hammerite also do a red oxide primer. Red oxide could be ised for the first coat if you wanted, though hammerite doesn't need a primer when used on steel.


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I know you are not supposed to do this anymore but i have an old box trailer that isn't galvanized the metalwork underneath gets a coat of old engine oil every now & then, messy but no rust!

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thankyou to all i now get it and will put hamerite paint on as an extra coat and leave the wood as it is for now!I tryed the oil on the car will not do it again as it is messy but agree rust is not going to start with oil!Thanks again for the advice!



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